[Open-data-census] reflections about the relevance of open data census' datasets

Wed Oct 16 13:10:39 BST 2013

Thanks for the input, all. Definitely something to look into in the
development work post-OGP.

Daniela, could you perhaps add your suggestions for future datasets in this
spreadsheet<https://docs.google.com/a/okfn.org/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjAcHTKULuf8dG11c2stOU1BMzB4bEs4VzlpRXRzeGc&usp=drive_web#gid=0>?
That would be very useful.

-Christian

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On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Tracey P. Lauriault <tlauriau at gmail.com>wrote:

> Emmy and Daniela;
>
> We also brought this up when looking at the Canadian context, the
> questionnaire is set up for a centralized national government system (UK)
> and does not account for federal or republics which have many layers of sub
> national elected entities.  Also, because the questionnaire did not allow
> for a 'not applicable' response people either responded no or unsure on
> things like transport or in the case of Ireland postal codes as they do not
> have any at the moment.
>
> I think your idea about military spending to be very interesting.
>
> I think we need to be reflexive about governments types, methodology, the
> nature of the questions, and so on.  And really appreciate your questions
> and suggestions.
>
> Cheers
> Tracey
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 9:02 AM, emmy chepkirui <emmychepkirui at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I agree with Daniela. I had the same experience especially with the
>> transport data which for Kenya, has almost nothing to do with the
>> government and will probably not for a long time, leave alone having
>> timetables. The public transport system is run in a completely different
>> way from what I have seen in Europe. This dataset was not relevant for
>> Kenya nevertheless the state of open data is judged on that. I would say
>> the case is the same for many countries in Africa (i stand to be corrected)
>> and hence while there are some arguments for standardizing data across
>> countries on other discussion threads, it may also be worth thinking about
>> contextualising open (government) data across different countries.
>>
>> Best,
>> Emmy
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 4:39 AM, Daniela Mattern <
>> daniela.mattern at it3s.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> we finally finished to revise Brazilian datasets. while doing so, I
>>> asked myself to what extend the suggested datasets might be culturally
>>> biased.
>>>
>>> Some examples:
>>>
>>>    - some data is not necessarily organized at the federal level - for
>>>    instance transportation data (bus and train) is mainly a state issue in
>>>    Brazil. A reason could be the urbanization pattern of Brazil - in huge
>>>    parts of the territory there is almost no civilization and therefore there
>>>    is no railway neither. Railway is almost nonexistent in Brazil and is
>>>    predominantly used for cargo and not for passenger transportation. So, this
>>>    data set is not really relevant for Brazil.
>>>    - same about pollution data that is measured in metropolitan areas
>>>    but there is no federal data. Also, due to the vast territory occupied by
>>>    Amazon rainforest a medium indicator or measurement system does not really
>>>    make sense.
>>>
>>> On the other side, I do not understand why we do not consider *security
>>> data*, like military expenses. In my opinion this might be a federal
>>> issue in most of the countries. *Other datasets that should be included
>>> are datasets related to activity of Supreme Courts, Federal Courts of
>>> Auditors and campaign finance data.*
>>>
>>> In Brazil big amounts of health, education and social assistance are
>>> also financed by the the federal government.
>>>
>>> I am wondering what might be the best approach to select relevant
>>> datasets for the census.
>>>
>>> Maybe we should only consider data that is mandatorily organized on a
>>> federal level in all of the countries.
>>>
>>> Has someone made similar experiences while filling out the census?
>>>
>>>
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