[Open-education] Friday Chat: Re: Import Lesson

Fri Jul 4 15:10:59 UTC 2014

Hi all

Just to add that at Siyavula (www.siyavula.com), we have also been
grappling with this for a long time now! We have tried and tested many
different editors, for both our internal work and at workshops with
volunteers.

We have been working with Kathi Fletcher on the OERPUB editor, helping to
test it (also at an actual workshop with educators - the best stress
test!). Last year, we facilitated a workshop to remix one of our Physical
Sciences textbooks using the OERPUB editor. This was initiated and driven
by a group of South African teachers. You can read more about it here:
www.markhorner.net/2013/08/21/community-driven-ieb-physics-and-chemistry-books/

As has been mentioned, we need an editor that is simple and easy to use,
otherwise educators will not use it. Our hope at Siyavula is to use an
instance of the OERPUB editor once it is finished to enable educators to
come and create their own versions of our textbooks and export their own
pdf/ePUB/etc. We have already seen cases where teachers have created their
own versions of our content by adding some of their notes, taking out
images for tests, etc. But, they often just do this by taking screen shots!

But, I also think that for OER to be remixed, we need to break it down into
its parts again. i have had many, many requests for the images and concept
maps in our textbooks as teachers want to re-use these to create their own
summary notes for learners or tests. So, although we create the whole,
nicely packaged, open textbook, when they actually want to reuse it, we
need to break it down again to make it accessible.

Have a great weekend.

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> Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2014 12:02:53 +0100
> From: Mick - FM <mick at flossmanuals.net>
> To: open-education at lists.okfn.org
> Subject: Re: [Open-education] Friday Chat: Re: Import Lesson
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> On 04/07/14 11:25, Pat Lockley wrote:
> >
> > I think (with no evidence but gut instinct) that most reuse is linking
>
> I think you are right. And with this practice comes the massive problem
> of link-rot. Especially given the influence of venture capital in the
> sector where OER are online for as long at the funding is coming in.
> A case in point is coursefork.org - which stopped before it even really
> started. You'd be forked if you had put all your OER eggs in that basket.
>
> So linking out to resources on a platform that invites user
> contributions with no real commitment to keeping them there is a real
> problem.
> Data portability should mitigate the problem so users of the platform
> can at a minimum archive their own data and upload it somewhere else.
> And ideally it encourages reuse /remix.
>
> Also, as a hack, where the licence permits it, we should grab HTML pages
> and import them into longer lasting community driven OER repositories
> which are in it for the long run. FLOSS manuals is definitely one of
> those for Free Software / Culture related materials.
>
> > Kathi Fletcher's OER ePUB editor is based on github too
>
> This work is great, but I agree, it seems a little while before
> chalk-face editors are up version control.
>
> I think the more we can make tools for remixing that make it easier like
> copy and pasting stuff from one place to the other the better.
>
> If you didn't try it yet try out this grab my books - tool it's pretty
> good.
> http://www.grabmybooks.com/
>
> Also, of course, licences as well as technical formats do effect the
> practicalities of moving your course materials.
>
> http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2014/03/18/if-mooc-instructor-moves-who-keeps-intellectual-property-rights
>
> nice one
> Mick
>
>
>
> --
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> Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2014 11:56:36 +0100
> From: Mick Clearerchannel <mickfuzz23 at gmail.com>
> To: open-education at lists.okfn.org
> Subject: Re: [Open-education] Friday Chat: Re: Import Lesson
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> On 04/07/14 11:25, Pat Lockley wrote:
> >
> > I think (with no evidence but gut instinct) that most reuse is linking
>
> I think you are right. And with this practice comes the massive problem
> of link-rot. Especially given the influence of venture capital in the
> sector where OER are online for as long at the funding is coming in.
>
> A case in point is coursefork.org - which stopped before it even really
> started. You'd be forked if you had put all your OER eggs in that basket.
>
> So linking out to resources on a platform that invites user
> contributions with no real commitment to keeping them there is a real
> problem.
> Data portability should mitigate the problem so users of the platform
> can at a minimum archive their own data and upload it somewhere else.
> And ideally it encourages reuse /remix.
>
> Also, as a hack, where the licence permits it, we should grab HTML pages
> and import them into longer lasting community driven OER repositories
> which are in it for the long run. FLOSS manuals is definitely one of
> those for Free Software / Culture related materials.
>
> > Kathi Fletcher's OER ePUB editor is based on github too
>
> This work is great, but I agree, it seems a little while before
> chalk-face editors are up version control.
>
> I think the more we can make tools for remixing that make it easier like
> copy and pasting stuff from one place to the other the better.
>
> If you didn't try it yet try out this grab my books - tool it's pretty
> good.
> http://www.grabmybooks.com/
>
> nice one
> Mick
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 12:35:18 +0100
> From: Pat Lockley <patrick.lockley at googlemail.com>
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> Link rot is huge, but I wonder if repo people have fixed this.
> Would handle URLs, or mirror sites (some form of LOCKSS) help?
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 12:02 PM, Mick - FM <mick at flossmanuals.net> wrote:
>
> >
> > On 04/07/14 11:25, Pat Lockley wrote:
> > >
> > > I think (with no evidence but gut instinct) that most reuse is linking
> >
> > I think you are right. And with this practice comes the massive problem
> > of link-rot. Especially given the influence of venture capital in the
> > sector where OER are online for as long at the funding is coming in.
> > A case in point is coursefork.org - which stopped before it even really
> > started. You'd be forked if you had put all your OER eggs in that basket.
> >
> > So linking out to resources on a platform that invites user
> > contributions with no real commitment to keeping them there is a real
> > problem.
> > Data portability should mitigate the problem so users of the platform
> > can at a minimum archive their own data and upload it somewhere else.
> > And ideally it encourages reuse /remix.
> >
> > Also, as a hack, where the licence permits it, we should grab HTML pages
> > and import them into longer lasting community driven OER repositories
> > which are in it for the long run. FLOSS manuals is definitely one of
> > those for Free Software / Culture related materials.
> >
> > > Kathi Fletcher's OER ePUB editor is based on github too
> >
> > This work is great, but I agree, it seems a little while before
> > chalk-face editors are up version control.
> >
> > I think the more we can make tools for remixing that make it easier like
> > copy and pasting stuff from one place to the other the better.
> >
> > If you didn't try it yet try out this grab my books - tool it's pretty
> > good.
> > http://www.grabmybooks.com/
> >
> > Also, of course, licences as well as technical formats do effect the
> > practicalities of moving your course materials.
> >
> >
> http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2014/03/18/if-mooc-instructor-moves-who-keeps-intellectual-property-rights
> >
> > nice one
> > Mick
> >
> >
> >
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> > mickfuzz [skype]
> > @mickfuzzz [twitter]
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