[OpenGLAM] City Archives Amsterdam

Thu Jan 24 09:48:58 UTC 2013

Hi all,

i bumped into the french national library's "adopt a book for digitisation"
[1] project.

There is a special website dedicated to the project where you can propose a
book and choose a book for digitisation and follow  at what stage of the
process it is in. The book must be in the public domain [2]. One can also
see the full list of books and who's paid for them and he can consult
directly the books from the website and copy the link of their display [3].
The donors' names also appear on Gallica, the digital library.

Apparently there are fiscal benefits for individuals and companies for
donating money although I couldn't see anywhere how much it costs and how
costs are being calculated.

Gallica has a public domain policy (although the public domain has a kind
of a different meaning in the french law where you can do all sorts of
things with the content but for commercial reuse if I am not mistaken).

I personally love this project!

It would be nice to see how far it's been successful. France is apparently
experimenting with different models for digitisation, including big
agreements with publishers and it would be nice to have some comparative
picture of the success of the different models, at least for what is going
on with regards to the books in the public domain...Is this of any interest
to the group? Could our french friends tell us more about these things?
Maybe you could propose to the BNF to launch the site in English?  That
would attract more donors to start with...
:-)

Best regards,
Georgia

[1]
http://www.bnf.fr/fr/acces_dedies/mecenat_partenariat/s.association_amis_bnf.html?first_Art=non#SHDC__Attribute_BlocArticle0BnF

[2] www.amisbnf.org/suggestions-livres.html

[3](
http://www.amisbnf.org/flore-illustree-de-nice-et-des-alpes-maritimes.-iconographie-des-or-651819f3a1aaa9f9abea6dc3fda603df.html

2013/1/23 Maarten Brinkerink <mbrinkerink at beeldengeluid.nl>

> We are indeed working on a survey to have measure this impact of the
> datasets that were released in the Netherlands as part of the Open Culture
> Data initiative. Will surely get back to the list about that!
>
> Best,
>
> Maarten
>
> Op 23 jan. 2013, om 18:07 heeft Joris Pekel <joris.pekel at okfn.org> het
> volgende geschreven:
>
> Thanks all of you for your opinions.
> @Michael: here is the record of what might be my great grandfather - can
> not see it at the moment for sure though!
> http://militieregisters.nl/zoek?l00=heemskerk&p04=hendrikus&p06=pekel
>
> As you can see you can pay 40 cents to view, and 50 to view and download.
> Although in the terms of use they specify that this scan is for personal
> use only, I would guess that if you would publish afterwards your PD
> download on Wiki Commons this would not lead immediately to a lot of
> trouble, but they officially do not allow it...
> I really like the idea of 'donations' rather than paying and I would love
> to see an institution experimenting with this. Anybody knows of examples?
>
> I've asked the archivist for some statistics about the amount of money
> they get from their image bank and how this is spent. I will keep you
> posted. Meanwhile, it would be incredibly interesting to also get metrics
> from the Leiden dataset and how this open dataset affected them. @Maarten,
> you are working on that right?
>
> I am more and more inclined in putting up a blog post. I will see if I can
> get some statistics first.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> Joris
>
>
> 2013/1/23 Stefano Costa <steko at iosa.it>
>
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>> Il 23/01/2013 11:51, theo kuechel ha scritto:
>> > I would agree Maarten
>> >
>> > It seems quite a different approach from the RijksMuseum -
>> > especially the Studio  section
>> > https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/en/rijksstudio which encourages users
>> > not only to edit, comment, and share  ideas about the works but to
>> > download, dopy, remix and repurpose them.
>> >
>> > Perhaps the directors of these organisations from the same city
>> > should speak?
>>
>> Perhaps I'm playing the devil's advocate, but please remember that it
>> is well known that "big players" (like the Rijksmuseum) are much more
>> likely to adopt open policies than smaller and mid-sized ones, because
>> they start from a position of privilege, and they have the internal
>> resources to continue their standard mission and experiment at the
>> same time.
>>
>> My suggestion is that:
>>
>> 1) if starting from the bottom didn't help, perhaps you could try from
>> the the top (e.g. if it is a public institution there must be someone
>> on a higher rank than the archives director).
>> 2) it would be extremely useful to talk directly to the volunteers and
>> tell them about approaches different from the one of velehanden.nl
>>
>> Perhaps we should try to summarise the story and our positions in a
>> blog post?
>>
>> Ciao
>> steko
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