[OpenGLAM] open-glam Digest, Vol 22, Issue 20

Thu Sep 12 17:19:45 UTC 2013

This has been a most passionate discussion - what an enthusiastic community!
While the term is intended to describe a pattern of behavior, it was never
meant to label organizations. Like many terms it can be used or misused,
depending on the context.

Bettina

On Thursday, September 12, 2013, wrote:

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>    1. Re: Content Trafficking v.3 (Tom Morris)
>    2. Re: Content Trafficking v.3 (Sarah Stierch)
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> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 10:48:00 -0400
> From: Tom Morris <tfmorris at gmail.com <javascript:;>>
> Subject: Re: [OpenGLAM] Content Trafficking v.3
> To: heath rezabek <heath.rezabek at gmail.com <javascript:;>>
> Cc: Sarah Stierch <sarah.stierch at gmail.com <javascript:;>>,
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> I agree with Heath.  The use of intentionally polarizing and pejorative
> language has another potential downside in addition to antagonizing the
> very people you're trying to influence -- it's likely to discourage the
> involvement of potential contributors who believe in more constructive
> approaches.
>
> Tom
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 4:00 PM, heath rezabek <heath.rezabek at gmail.com<javascript:;>
> >wrote:
>
> > I think it's worth asking ourselves what the desired outcome is. Knowing
> > that will clarify the likelihood that the language we use will aid that
> > cause or simply cauterize the debate.
> >
> > I also tend to believe that divisionary language is bound to result
> mainly
> > in sharper divisions.  Additionally, if any work whatsoever was done on
> the
> > material, that work cost the institution money.  Institutions can't
> > always afford to reorient whole workflows to free up content which
> they've
> > spent funding in order to provide some kind of access to, without at
> least
> > some suggestion of an alternate workflow that would allow them to vent
> > their derivative PD works as purely PD.
> >
> > I'm not articulating very well; it just seems to me that offering a 'best
> > practices for preserving public domain status for the public good'
> document
> > would be a better strategy than branding institutions who may not have
> > workflows in place to do so.
> >
> > But again, it all depends on the desired outcome.
> >
> > Curmudgeonly,
> >
> > - Heath
> >   Tx Ambassador for the OKFN
> >
> >
> > On Wednesday, September 11, 2013, Sarah Stierch wrote:
> >
> >> True: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/trafficking
> >>
> >> Revolution can begin with the reclaiming and redefining of things. But,
> I
> >> understand if that's not appropriate in this case.
> >>
> >> I'm not sure if "copyright overreaching" works either, as if it's public
> >> domain we're not really overreaching copyright. Hmmm
> >>
> >> -S
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Ed Rodley <ed_rodley at pem.org<javascript:;>>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I'd have to agree with Beat.  Every other kind of trafficking I can
> think
> >> of is a straight-up crime. One could make the case that some of the ways
> >> institutions try to monetize PD content are fraudulent, but they're not
> in
> >> the same league as arms, narcotics and human trafficking. Trying to
> declare
> >> it as such seems overly shrill. Also, traffickers know that what they
> do is
> >> illegal and they organize to circumvent the law. That is not the case
> with
> >> many institutions, which struggle just to undersand how titanically the
> >> digital landscape has changed.  "Content trafficking" isn't just
> >> polarizing, it has *only* pejorative connotations. I can't see how we'd
> >> hope have any constructive dialogue with institutions we'd branded thus.
> >> Terms like copyright overreaching seem much more accurate.
> >>
> >> Ed
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 12:36 PM, Sarah Stierch <
> sarah.stierch at gmail.com <javascript:;>>wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 8:54 AM, Estermann Beat <beat.estermann at bfh.ch<javascript:;>
> >wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Personally, I?m not very happy with the term ?content trafficking? as it
> >> seems unnecessarily polarizing to me. And I wonder whether the kind of
> >> black-and-white thinking implied by the term ?content trafficking? and
> the
> >> definition that you suggest, will lead to the best possible results in
> >> terms of ?content liberation?.
> >>
> >>
> >> The word "trafficking" is polarizing in general in this day and age
> >> ("human trafficking" being the most notable example), though it does
> >> successfully add urgency to the matter, and in a day and age (again)
> where
> >> laws and ideas of openness are evolving quickly, perhaps that urgency is
> >> needed.
> >>
> >>
> >> ****
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> I don?t find it particularly revolting if institutions partly withhold
> >> public domain works from the public domain if this is necessary to
> recoup a
> >> significant part of the costs related to digitization and enhancement of
> >> metadata. Some of the Google Digitization Partnerships would probably
> fall
> >> into this category: Public domain works are made available under some
> sort
> >> of a non-commercial use-agreement during 10-12 years; after that the
> GLAM
> >> institution is free to make the original scans available as real ?public
> >> domain? works. Being able to full-text-search and consult the documents
> >> online now with some usage restrictions might be preferable to waiting
> for
> >> another 10-20 years, before the GLAM institutions actually is able to
> raise
> >> funds from other sources to finance the digitization of the works.****
> >>
> >> **
> >>
> >>
> >> I *do* find it rather revolting. I've worked at institutions who have
> >> paid for employee positions based on the selling of public domain
> works. It
> >> just shows that there is a lack of funding on the donor side for
> >> digitization programs. If donors were giving money to digitize, and
> provide
> >> free access to PD collections maybe this wouldn't be a problem. But,
> >> development departments are generally clueless (at least in the United
> >> States) about copyright discussions and most donors are as well. It's
> going
> >> to take a special type of donor to destroy the power that Google has
> over
> >> these organizati
> >>
> >>
> >
> > --
> > Heath Rezabek // labs.vessel.cc
> > Long Now Foundation (Intern) // Manual for Civilization Project //
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> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 08:03:33 -0700
> From: Sarah Stierch <sarah.stierch at gmail.com <javascript:;>>
> Subject: Re: [OpenGLAM] Content Trafficking v.3
> To: heath rezabek <heath.rezabek at gmail.com <javascript:;>>
> Cc: Sarah Stierch <sarah.stierch at gmail.com <javascript:;>>,
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> Yeah...that's another idea tossed around annual "open" awards.
>
> Now we just magically need the money to do. ;) (but I love any excuse to
> recognize people especially in person!)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Sep 12, 2013, at 5:30 AM, heath rezabek <heath.rezabek at gmail.com<javascript:;>>
> wrote:
>
> > We might not see it often, but perhaps that would add to its prestige.
>  :)
> >
> > Perhaps an annual announcement or awarding of certifications could be
> done, thus giving it a press cycle.  And, perhaps winning institutions
> could be offered an honorary seat on a related advisory committee, or
> somesuch.
> >
> > In other words, big things could grow from small beginnings.  :)
> >
> > - Heath
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 3:16 AM, Sam Leon <sam.leon at okfn.org<javascript:;>>
> wrote:
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> Interesting discussion and Bettina do share what you have collated of
> this discussion.
> >>
> >> With respect to the badges point, I think it's a good idea. In the
> process of listing the Open Collections on OpenGLAM I've often suggested
> that the host institutions use the existing "Open Content" badges.
> >>
> >> It would be really interesting too to look at creating a process for
> awarding institutions that do open their collections and uphold the
> OpenGLAM principles, although at present this wouldn't be a badge we'd see
> on the websites too often.
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >> Sam
> >>
> >>
> >> On 12 September 2013 06:35, Maarten Brinkerink <
> mbrinkerink at beeldengeluid.nl <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >>> Still love that idea...
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my mobile phone
> >>>
> >>> Op 11 sep. 2013 om 23:33 heeft Sarah Stierch <sstierch at wikimedia.org<javascript:;>>
> het volgende geschreven:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Jon Voss <jon.voss at wearewhatwedo.org<javascript:;>>
> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I second that!  Another example we've been thinking about at
> Historypin is having special badges and searches for openly licensed or PD
> content.  We want to find ways to educate and reward sharing of open
> content, and also underline business reasons for institutions to do that.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes, that was an idea we came up at the first GLAMcamp in New York
> City in 2011 - having badges for GLAMs to put on their website expressing
> different OpenGLAM (well..that event took place before "OpenGLAM" existed)
> models. "This badge means you've opened all your PD content for the world
> to open for free," "This institution has partnered with Wikipedia"
> >>>>
> >>>> I know a lot of us still love love love the idea of badges for
> institutions! Show off your OpenGLAM awesomess :)
> >>>>
> >>>> Sarah
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Sarah Stierch
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