[open-government] [Session Suggestion] Open Bank Project

Ismail Chaib ismail at tesobe.com
Fri Aug 26 15:05:43 UTC 2011 

Thanks @stef.
@Jonathan, we would be happy to further discuss that at the OGDcamp.

yours,
Ismail

2011/8/10 Jonathan Gray <jonathan.gray at okfn.org>

> Excellent! It would be fantastic if you could put an explicit
> statement to this effect on the site and use/link to one of the open
> data licenses listed here: http://www.opendefinition.org/licenses/
>
> E.g. something like:
>
> "Data from the Open Bank Project is freely available for all to reuse
> under CC0" [link: http://creativecommons.org/choose/zero/]
>
> Or:
>
> "Data from the Open Bank Project is freely available for all to reuse
> under the Open Data Commons Attribution license" [link:
> http://opendatacommons.org/licenses/by/]
>
> If you're happy to do this then we'd love to help support or publicise
> the project!
>
> J.
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Ismail Chaib <ismail at tesobe.com> wrote:
> > Hi Jonathan,
> >
> > Thanks for your message.
> > Our aim is to foster an ecosystem around the project, so people can use
> > these data in innovative ways. Thus, we need publicly available data to
> be
> > open as in OpenDefinition.org.
> >
> > Maybe be this is an issue we need to explore further. What do you
> suggest?
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> >
> >
> > 2011/8/8 Jonathan Gray <jonathan.gray at okfn.org>
> >>
> >> Fantastic. Will the publicly available data be open as in
> >> OpenDefinition.org? E.g. under a public domain, attribution or
> >> sharelike style license?
> >>
> >> All the best,
> >>
> >> Jonathan
> >>
> >> 2011/8/8 Ismail Chaib <ismail at tesobe.com>:
> >> > Hi Folks,
> >> >
> >> > We're happy to introduce Open Bank Project to you guys.
> >> > Open Bank Project (http://www.openbankproject.com/) is a European
> >> > initiative
> >> > that aims at opening up financial data to a larger groups of
> individual
> >> > and
> >> > softwares and raising the bar of transparency. Once a bank supports
> the
> >> > Open
> >> > Bank Protocol, account holders could grant access to their financial
> >> > data to
> >> > chosen groups of users or even the public. For instance, a political
> >> > party
> >> > will open all its transactions to the public so that people or public
> >> > bodies
> >> > would be able to track who give how much money.
> >> >
> >> > The data opened and gathered through the OBP would be used in several
> >> > scenarios from fraud-detection to NGO donation tracking, we're
> >> > particularly
> >> > interested in developing use cases that involve Governments (e.g. Gov
> >> > representatives disclosing their financial transactions, supporting
> data
> >> > journalism, linking these data with other gov data...etc). We're also
> >> > building an API on the top of the protocol so that developers can
> easily
> >> > access the data and reuse them in creative/useful manners.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > We've presented the project at okCon recently here in Berlin and at
> >> > other
> >> > conferences like Lift in Geneva. We're happy to count on a hard
> working
> >> > community, we have 2 Apache members in our team and start having good
> >> > discussions with European banks.
> >> >
> >> > We're eager to hear your feedback about the project and we would be
> >> > delighted to present the OBP at the Camp. What do you think?
> >> >
> >> > Looking forward to meeting you.
> >> > Best,
> >> >
> >> > Ismail
> >> >
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> >> >>
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> >> >>
> >> >> Message: 1
> >> >> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 15:16:06 +0200
> >> >> From: "JOSEFSSON Erik" <erik.josefsson at europarl.europa.eu>
> >> >> Subject: Re: [open-government] Open Public Services - Democratic
> >> >>        Decentralisation
> >> >> To: "Neil McEvoy" <neil at mcevoy.biz>,
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> >> >> Message-ID:
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> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >> >>
> >> >> Dear Neil,
> >> >>
> >> >> I have an issue with the U.S. centric outlook of Beth Noveck's paper
> >> >> which
> >> >> bluntly states, only one year after the EU rejection of the software
> >> >> patents
> >> >> directive, that it's not politically possible to do anything about
> the
> >> >> patent system going down the "forbidden path" of
> Dispositionsprogramm:
> >> >>
> >> >> "Similarly, proposals to [...] revisit the scope of patentable
> subject
> >> >> matter [...] do not eliminate the need to address the information
> >> >> deficit.
> >> >> They also require extraordinary political capital to move through
> >> >> Congress."
> >> >> (p. 126)
> >> >>
> >> >> For obvious reasons, I don't see it the same way, and there are other
> >> >> well
> >> >> developed strategies, which is why I would hesitate to put the Peer
> to
> >> >> Patent portal as a headline example of Open Government.
> >> >>
> >> >> Maybe U.S. politcal capital can increase to levels where effective
> >> >> patent
> >> >> reform is possible. This NPR broadcast seems to me to represent a new
> >> >> wave
> >> >> of fundamental critique of the patent system:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> http://www.thisamericanlife.or?g/radio-archives/episode/441/w?hen-patents-attack
> >> >>
> >> >> If you are looking for a progressive solution for Open Government in
> >> >> the
> >> >> field of patent administration, please have a look at the Polluters
> Pay
> >> >> Portal http://eupat.ffii.org/07/p2parl/exam
> >> >>
> >> >> Best regards.
> >> >>
> >> >> //Erik
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Erik Josefsson
> >> >> Adviser on internet policies
> >> >> Greens/EFA Group
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> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: open-government-bounces at lists.okfn.org on behalf of Neil
> McEvoy
> >> >> Sent: Wed 7/27/2011 4:55 PM
> >> >> To: open-government at lists.okfn.org
> >> >> Subject: [open-government] Open Public Services - Democratic
> >> >> Decentralisation
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Hey folks
> >> >>
> >> >> Here's my blog viewpoint on the recent 'Open Public Services'
> >> >> initiative
> >> >> from the UK.
> >> >>
> >> >> I think this is a critical step for the Open Government movement, as
> it
> >> >> provides a meaningful policy context for the technology tools like
> Open
> >> >> Data.
> >> >>
> >> >> http://tinyurl.com/OpenPublicServices
> >> >>
> >> >> Regards,
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Neil McEvoy
> >> >> Founder
> >> >> Cloud Best Practices Network
> >> >> http://mcevoy.biz
> >> >>
> >> >>
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> >> >> Message: 2
> >> >> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 15:17:23 -0400
> >> >> From: "Neil McEvoy" <neil at mcevoy.biz>
> >> >> Subject: Re: [open-government] Open Public Services - Democratic
> >> >>        Decentralisation
> >> >> To: "JOSEFSSON Erik" <erik.josefsson at europarl.europa.eu>
> >> >> Cc: open-government at lists.okfn.org
> >> >> Message-ID:
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> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Hi Erik
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks for the feedback.
> >> >>
> >> >> My primary focus is not so much on the patent system, and so I have
> no
> >> >> expertise to comment on your analysis. I am mainly interested in
> >> >> encouraging governments to take that first step, ie moving government
> >> >> process from 'closed' to 'open', by moving it online in this form.
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm quite sure Peer to Patent is not perfect, and certainly not so in
> >> >> the
> >> >> specific terms you describe, but technologically it's hugely more
> >> >> advanced
> >> >> than 99% of government processes, and is a big step on from where
> they
> >> >> were.
> >> >>
> >> >> Kind regards, Neil.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > Dear Neil,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I have an issue with the U.S. centric outlook of Beth Noveck's
> paper
> >> >> > which
> >> >> > bluntly states, only one year after the EU rejection of the
> software
> >> >> > patents directive, that it's not politically possible to do
> anything
> >> >> > about
> >> >> > the patent system going down the "forbidden path" of
> >> >> > Dispositionsprogramm:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "Similarly, proposals to [...] revisit the scope of patentable
> >> >> > subject
> >> >> > matter [...] do not eliminate the need to address the information
> >> >> > deficit.
> >> >> > They also require extraordinary political capital to move through
> >> >> > Congress." (p. 126)
> >> >> >
> >> >> > For obvious reasons, I don't see it the same way, and there are
> other
> >> >> > well
> >> >> > developed strategies, which is why I would hesitate to put the Peer
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > Patent portal as a headline example of Open Government.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Maybe U.S. politcal capital can increase to levels where effective
> >> >> > patent
> >> >> > reform is possible. This NPR broadcast seems to me to represent a
> new
> >> >> > wave
> >> >> > of fundamental critique of the patent system:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> http://www.thisamericanlife.or?g/radio-archives/episode/441/w?hen-patents-attack
> >> >> >
> >> >> > If you are looking for a progressive solution for Open Government
> in
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > field of patent administration, please have a look at the Polluters
> >> >> > Pay
> >> >> > Portal http://eupat.ffii.org/07/p2parl/exam
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Best regards.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > //Erik
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Erik Josefsson
> >> >> > Adviser on internet policies
> >> >> > Greens/EFA Group
> >> >> > BXL: PHS 04C025 TEL: +3222832667
> >> >> > SBG: WIC M03005 TEL: +33388173776
> >> >> > GSM: +32484082063
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> >> > From: open-government-bounces at lists.okfn.org on behalf of Neil
> McEvoy
> >> >> > Sent: Wed 7/27/2011 4:55 PM
> >> >> > To: open-government at lists.okfn.org
> >> >> > Subject: [open-government] Open Public Services - Democratic
> >> >> > Decentralisation
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Hey folks
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Here's my blog viewpoint on the recent 'Open Public Services'
> >> >> > initiative
> >> >> > from the UK.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I think this is a critical step for the Open Government movement,
> as
> >> >> > it
> >> >> > provides a meaningful policy context for the technology tools like
> >> >> > Open
> >> >> > Data.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > http://tinyurl.com/OpenPublicServices
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Regards,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > Neil McEvoy
> >> >> > Founder
> >> >> > Cloud Best Practices Network
> >> >> > http://mcevoy.biz
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
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> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Neil McEvoy
> >> >> Founder
> >> >> Cloud Best Practices Network
> >> >> http://mcevoy.biz
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
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