[open-government] [Session Suggestion] Open Bank Project

Jonathan Gray jonathan.gray at okfn.org
Wed Aug 10 14:34:52 UTC 2011 

Excellent! It would be fantastic if you could put an explicit
statement to this effect on the site and use/link to one of the open
data licenses listed here: http://www.opendefinition.org/licenses/

E.g. something like:

"Data from the Open Bank Project is freely available for all to reuse
under CC0" [link: http://creativecommons.org/choose/zero/]

Or:

"Data from the Open Bank Project is freely available for all to reuse
under the Open Data Commons Attribution license" [link:
http://opendatacommons.org/licenses/by/]

If you're happy to do this then we'd love to help support or publicise
the project!

J.


On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Ismail Chaib <ismail at tesobe.com> wrote:
> Hi Jonathan,
>
> Thanks for your message.
> Our aim is to foster an ecosystem around the project, so people can use
> these data in innovative ways. Thus, we need publicly available data to be
> open as in OpenDefinition.org.
>
> Maybe be this is an issue we need to explore further. What do you suggest?
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> 2011/8/8 Jonathan Gray <jonathan.gray at okfn.org>
>>
>> Fantastic. Will the publicly available data be open as in
>> OpenDefinition.org? E.g. under a public domain, attribution or
>> sharelike style license?
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Jonathan
>>
>> 2011/8/8 Ismail Chaib <ismail at tesobe.com>:
>> > Hi Folks,
>> >
>> > We're happy to introduce Open Bank Project to you guys.
>> > Open Bank Project (http://www.openbankproject.com/) is a European
>> > initiative
>> > that aims at opening up financial data to a larger groups of individual
>> > and
>> > softwares and raising the bar of transparency. Once a bank supports the
>> > Open
>> > Bank Protocol, account holders could grant access to their financial
>> > data to
>> > chosen groups of users or even the public. For instance, a political
>> > party
>> > will open all its transactions to the public so that people or public
>> > bodies
>> > would be able to track who give how much money.
>> >
>> > The data opened and gathered through the OBP would be used in several
>> > scenarios from fraud-detection to NGO donation tracking, we're
>> > particularly
>> > interested in developing use cases that involve Governments (e.g. Gov
>> > representatives disclosing their financial transactions, supporting data
>> > journalism, linking these data with other gov data...etc). We're also
>> > building an API on the top of the protocol so that developers can easily
>> > access the data and reuse them in creative/useful manners.
>> >
>> >
>> > We've presented the project at okCon recently here in Berlin and at
>> > other
>> > conferences like Lift in Geneva. We're happy to count on a hard working
>> > community, we have 2 Apache members in our team and start having good
>> > discussions with European banks.
>> >
>> > We're eager to hear your feedback about the project and we would be
>> > delighted to present the OBP at the Camp. What do you think?
>> >
>> > Looking forward to meeting you.
>> > Best,
>> >
>> > Ismail
>> >
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>> >>   1. Re: Open Public Services - Democratic     Decentralisation
>> >>      (JOSEFSSON Erik)
>> >>   2. Re: Open Public Services - Democratic Decentralisation
>> >>      (Neil McEvoy)
>> >>
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>> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> >> Message: 1
>> >> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 15:16:06 +0200
>> >> From: "JOSEFSSON Erik" <erik.josefsson at europarl.europa.eu>
>> >> Subject: Re: [open-government] Open Public Services - Democratic
>> >>        Decentralisation
>> >> To: "Neil McEvoy" <neil at mcevoy.biz>,
>> >>  <open-government at lists.okfn.org>
>> >> Message-ID:
>> >>
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>> >>  <BFB8C54A55E15345AD245DB3CCC0353804E5B11A at EMAILBRUSV21.ep.parl.union.eu>
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>> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>> >>
>> >> Dear Neil,
>> >>
>> >> I have an issue with the U.S. centric outlook of Beth Noveck's paper
>> >> which
>> >> bluntly states, only one year after the EU rejection of the software
>> >> patents
>> >> directive, that it's not politically possible to do anything about the
>> >> patent system going down the "forbidden path" of Dispositionsprogramm:
>> >>
>> >> "Similarly, proposals to [...] revisit the scope of patentable subject
>> >> matter [...] do not eliminate the need to address the information
>> >> deficit.
>> >> They also require extraordinary political capital to move through
>> >> Congress."
>> >> (p. 126)
>> >>
>> >> For obvious reasons, I don't see it the same way, and there are other
>> >> well
>> >> developed strategies, which is why I would hesitate to put the Peer to
>> >> Patent portal as a headline example of Open Government.
>> >>
>> >> Maybe U.S. politcal capital can increase to levels where effective
>> >> patent
>> >> reform is possible. This NPR broadcast seems to me to represent a new
>> >> wave
>> >> of fundamental critique of the patent system:
>> >>
>> >> http://www.thisamericanlife.or?g/radio-archives/episode/441/w?hen-patents-attack
>> >>
>> >> If you are looking for a progressive solution for Open Government in
>> >> the
>> >> field of patent administration, please have a look at the Polluters Pay
>> >> Portal http://eupat.ffii.org/07/p2parl/exam
>> >>
>> >> Best regards.
>> >>
>> >> //Erik
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Erik Josefsson
>> >> Adviser on internet policies
>> >> Greens/EFA Group
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>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: open-government-bounces at lists.okfn.org on behalf of Neil McEvoy
>> >> Sent: Wed 7/27/2011 4:55 PM
>> >> To: open-government at lists.okfn.org
>> >> Subject: [open-government] Open Public Services - Democratic
>> >> Decentralisation
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Hey folks
>> >>
>> >> Here's my blog viewpoint on the recent 'Open Public Services'
>> >> initiative
>> >> from the UK.
>> >>
>> >> I think this is a critical step for the Open Government movement, as it
>> >> provides a meaningful policy context for the technology tools like Open
>> >> Data.
>> >>
>> >> http://tinyurl.com/OpenPublicServices
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Neil McEvoy
>> >> Founder
>> >> Cloud Best Practices Network
>> >> http://mcevoy.biz
>> >>
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>> >> Message: 2
>> >> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 15:17:23 -0400
>> >> From: "Neil McEvoy" <neil at mcevoy.biz>
>> >> Subject: Re: [open-government] Open Public Services - Democratic
>> >>        Decentralisation
>> >> To: "JOSEFSSON Erik" <erik.josefsson at europarl.europa.eu>
>> >> Cc: open-government at lists.okfn.org
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>> >>
>> >> Hi Erik
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for the feedback.
>> >>
>> >> My primary focus is not so much on the patent system, and so I have no
>> >> expertise to comment on your analysis. I am mainly interested in
>> >> encouraging governments to take that first step, ie moving government
>> >> process from 'closed' to 'open', by moving it online in this form.
>> >>
>> >> I'm quite sure Peer to Patent is not perfect, and certainly not so in
>> >> the
>> >> specific terms you describe, but technologically it's hugely more
>> >> advanced
>> >> than 99% of government processes, and is a big step on from where they
>> >> were.
>> >>
>> >> Kind regards, Neil.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Dear Neil,
>> >> >
>> >> > I have an issue with the U.S. centric outlook of Beth Noveck's paper
>> >> > which
>> >> > bluntly states, only one year after the EU rejection of the software
>> >> > patents directive, that it's not politically possible to do anything
>> >> > about
>> >> > the patent system going down the "forbidden path" of
>> >> > Dispositionsprogramm:
>> >> >
>> >> > "Similarly, proposals to [...] revisit the scope of patentable
>> >> > subject
>> >> > matter [...] do not eliminate the need to address the information
>> >> > deficit.
>> >> > They also require extraordinary political capital to move through
>> >> > Congress." (p. 126)
>> >> >
>> >> > For obvious reasons, I don't see it the same way, and there are other
>> >> > well
>> >> > developed strategies, which is why I would hesitate to put the Peer
>> >> > to
>> >> > Patent portal as a headline example of Open Government.
>> >> >
>> >> > Maybe U.S. politcal capital can increase to levels where effective
>> >> > patent
>> >> > reform is possible. This NPR broadcast seems to me to represent a new
>> >> > wave
>> >> > of fundamental critique of the patent system:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.thisamericanlife.or?g/radio-archives/episode/441/w?hen-patents-attack
>> >> >
>> >> > If you are looking for a progressive solution for Open Government in
>> >> > the
>> >> > field of patent administration, please have a look at the Polluters
>> >> > Pay
>> >> > Portal http://eupat.ffii.org/07/p2parl/exam
>> >> >
>> >> > Best regards.
>> >> >
>> >> > //Erik
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Erik Josefsson
>> >> > Adviser on internet policies
>> >> > Greens/EFA Group
>> >> > BXL: PHS 04C025 TEL: +3222832667
>> >> > SBG: WIC M03005 TEL: +33388173776
>> >> > GSM: +32484082063
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > -----Original Message-----
>> >> > From: open-government-bounces at lists.okfn.org on behalf of Neil McEvoy
>> >> > Sent: Wed 7/27/2011 4:55 PM
>> >> > To: open-government at lists.okfn.org
>> >> > Subject: [open-government] Open Public Services - Democratic
>> >> > Decentralisation
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Hey folks
>> >> >
>> >> > Here's my blog viewpoint on the recent 'Open Public Services'
>> >> > initiative
>> >> > from the UK.
>> >> >
>> >> > I think this is a critical step for the Open Government movement, as
>> >> > it
>> >> > provides a meaningful policy context for the technology tools like
>> >> > Open
>> >> > Data.
>> >> >
>> >> > http://tinyurl.com/OpenPublicServices
>> >> >
>> >> > Regards,
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Neil McEvoy
>> >> > Founder
>> >> > Cloud Best Practices Network
>> >> > http://mcevoy.biz
>> >> >
>> >> >
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>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Neil McEvoy
>> >> Founder
>> >> Cloud Best Practices Network
>> >> http://mcevoy.biz
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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