[open-government] Seems I've seen something alike already

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 Hi Kathleen,

The interface looks very much like data.gov.uk's. Is that a coincidence ?

Best regards.
MarcH


> Message du 28/09/11 10:08
> De : "Katleen Janssen"
> A : "daniel.dietrich at okfn.org"
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> Objet : Re: [open-government] open government data in Belgium - something is finally happening?
>
> Hi Daniel,
>
> I fully agree that the portal is not user-friendly. While in the press conference launching the portal, the minister referred to data.gov.uk and data.gov, this portal is only a toned down version, as it does not necessarily offer open data, but is only a true portal in the sense that it refers to the public bodies, which may still have their own conditions. I think there is no explanation of what 'free' is, because they haven't decided yet what they want it to be. Currently they can only work with what is agreed by all public bodies, because a a full blown government choice for open data would require a decision that can only be taken by the new government (who knows, we might actually be getting one in the near future).
>
> From what I understood, an open licence is still only a wish, and the conditions and charges are still left to the public bodies to decide, within the 'reasonable' limit. Some datasets are free, but e.g. the geographic data are not... So we're still a long way away from real open data...
>
> best regards,
> katleen
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> Subject: Re: [open-government] open government data in Belgium - something is finally happening?
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> Dear Katleen, all
>
> It's good to see the Belgian initiative. I had a short look at the site and it looks great. Only the licensing of the data seams to be messed:
>
> 1. you can find data sets specified as "free" or "free for personal use" if you then klick on "free" it brings you to a list with datasets with license "free". But there is no information about what free means. Same for "free for personal use". In quite some cases it just says: "see website dataset provider". That's really not re-user friendly.
>
> Also: could you please tell us more about the pricing of some datasets (as you mentioned reasonable charge)? I was not able to quickly find examples of these. Thanks a lot.
>
> Regards
> Daniel
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:37 AM, Katleen Janssen > wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> The Belgians are finally coming on board the open data train! The Belgian federal government has officially launched data.gov.be, a portal enabling all government bodies to make available their data to citizens and companies. The portal starts off with around 60 datasets, but is supposed to grow in the near future. Most of the data is available for free, but in some cases 'a reasonable charge' is made - so not yet fully open data?
>
> At the same time, the Flemish government has also launched a conceptual document stating that open government data should be the default position for the Flemish public services, and that the data should be available for any use, either free of charge or against reasonable charges. Open standards and open APIs, and authentic sources should be used as much as possible. A good point in the document is that the need for an integral approach involving all public authorities, including the local authorities, is emphasized, and also the need for awareness raising among public bodies and users.
>
> The question remains how the federal and the Flemish initiative will relate. While the idea is that there will be coordination between the two initiatives, leading to joint formats and licensing models and possibly even a joint portal, the concrete result of this coordination remains to be seen. By May next year, there should be a concrete result from the conceptual document.
>
> For more information, see http://www.bestuurszaken.be/vlaamse-overheid-kiest-voor-open-data; http://data.gov.be/.
>
> Best regards,
> Katleen
>
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