[open-government] More than eightly formats for open government data

Tue Sep 18 10:35:16 UTC 2012

+1 although ooxml seems to be formally 'open' if you know how the
process was made and achieved, I have strong concerns about it. 

Better to use a non-concerning format.

On Sun, 2012-09-09 at 21:39 +0200, Stefan Szilva wrote:

> Citát "Jose M. Alonso" <josema at webfoundation.org>:
> 
> > El 08/09/2012, a las 15:11, stef escribió:
> >> On Sat, Sep 08, 2012 at 01:35:08PM +0530, neeta wrote:
> >>> I have done a small study to understand the kind of data formats acceptable
> >>> by different govt  data portals worldwide..
> >>> and was surprised to find that there are more than 80  
> >>> formats..(excel sheet enclosed for details)
> >>
> >> talking about formats, can anyone please liberate the data from  
> >> excel to some less closed format.
> >
> > and can we stop calling xlsx a closed format, please?
> > Not that I'm a big fan of how OOXML [1] was standardized but it's an  
> > ECMA and ISO standard, i.e. open enough.
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I suggest this source:
> http://www.odfalliance.org/resources/OOXML_GovsNeedKnow_Oct2010.pdf
> 
> There are different versions of OOXML and some of them are  
> proprietary. Unfortunately, these proprietary versions are mostly used  
> (AFAIK).
> 
> Citation:
> 
> "- The Ecma 376 version of OOXML, the version that ISO rejected. This  
> somewhat matches what Office 2007 writes out, but lacks definitions  
> for scripts, macros, DRM, connections to SharePoint, etc. This version  
> also contains many Windows-platform dependencies. The use of Ecma-376  
> essentially ties the adopter to Microsoft Office.
> - The ISO/IEC 29500 “Strict” version. This is the version that ISO  
> said should be used for new documents. But neither Office 2007 nor  
> Office 2010 are capable of writing OOXML “Strict.” Microsoft has made  
> no public commitment on when they will fully implement OOXML “Strict.”
> - The ISO/IEC 29500 “Transitional,” the version that ISO stated should  
> not be used for new documents. Neither Microsoft Office 2007 nor  
> Office 2010 implement this version precisely. Further, Office 2010  
> writes out a non-standard form of OOXML “Transitional” which includes  
> many proprietary extensions. These extensions have not been  
> contributed back to ISO for standardization.
> 
> The fact that Microsoft is not implementing “Strict” while privately  
> extending “Transitional” means that the improvements required to make  
> OOXML acceptable to ISO are now being ignored. This divergence between  
> the ISO standard and the Microsoft implementation has lead the  
> Convenor of the OOXML Ballot Resolution Meeting to declare recently  
> that, “[T]he entire OOXML project is now surely heading for failure”.
> http://www.adjb.net/post/Microsoft-Fails-the-Standards-Test.aspx
> "
> 
> 
> I also suggest these citation from ISO/IEC 29500-4:
> 
> "The intent of this Part of ISO/IEC 29500 is to enable a transitional  
> period during which existing binary documents being migrated to  
> ISO/IEC 29500 can make use of legacy features to preserve their  
> fidelity, while noting that new documents should not use them."
> 
> 
> Stefan Szilva
> 
> 
> >
> > Josema
> >
> > [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_Open_XML
> >
> > --
> >
> > Jose M. Alonso
> > Program Manager, Open Data
> > World Wide Web Foundation
> > email: josema at webfoundation.org
> > twitter: @josemalonso
> > skype: josema.alonso
> > http://www.webfoundation.org
> >
> >
> >>
> >> --
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> >> otr fp: https://www.ctrlc.hu/~stef/otr.txt
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