[open-government] open-government Digest, Vol 54, Issue 8

Fri Aug 8 12:04:40 UTC 2014

Hi all,

One additional things we are doing on civil society side - with the help of
Involve in the UK - is piloting a methodology in about 10 countries that
looks at the OGP process and quality of the plans from a pure civil society
perspective.

More on that you can find here:
http://www.ogphub.org/napreview-pilot/

Happy to talk!

Best

Paul

On 8 August 2014 14:00, <open-government-request at lists.okfn.org> wrote:

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>    1. Re: Public assessment of the OGP national plans (Petra Reszket?)
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> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2014 16:30:35 +0200
> From: Petra Reszket? <petra.reszketo at budapestinstitute.eu>
> To: Daniel Dietrich <daniel.dietrich at okfn.org>
> Cc: Paul Maassen <maassenpaul at gmail.com>,
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>         alberto abella <alberto.abella at okfn.es>
> Subject: Re: [open-government] Public assessment of the OGP national
>         plans
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> dear alberto,
> dear all,
>
> the initiative is a great idea! there is a lot to do on evaluation, going
> beyond the standard monitoring task run by the OGP IRM & its national
> expert network
> i would though join the voices (esp. Tim, Daniel) - let us try to avoid
> duplication of efforts and let us build on the job done already in the
> field
>
> three ideas which i think may be added value to the independent reporting
> done by the IRM network:
>
> 1. a sort of shadow reporting which could focus more on the compliance with
> recommendations done by independent experts/ int.organisations (i.a. IRM
> itself). unfortunately, this is beyond the scope of the IRM monitoring, at
> least yet
>
> 2. delivering an OKF award "Innovative Openness" each year to country/ies
> running a really insightful good practice
>
> 3. supporting national NGOs/ media actors on national-level monitoring,
> advocacy, and enforcement mechanism (we should admit - key elements in the
> whole story...) by providing them toolkits, platform of exchange,
> collection of good and bad(!) practices, etc.
>
> finally, exactly I would also strongly recommend to contact the IRM team
> (especially, Joe Foti, IRM prog.man, can help with CC:ing)!
>
> petra
> indep.researcher
> (also delivering HU country monitoring report)
>
>
>
>
>
> On 6 August 2014 19:53, Daniel Dietrich <daniel.dietrich at okfn.org> wrote:
>
> > I agree with Tim here. Comparing action plans and their implementation
> > across countries with the aim of ranking them might be misleading (as
> many
> > indexes tend to be simplifying especially when they are presented via
> shiny
> > visualizations).
> >
> > I also think it would be much more valuable to actually try to analyze
> the
> > meaning of action plans in their local context. How ambitious are they?
> How
> > well defined are the actions? Are the actions actually implemented? How
> is
> > the local process structured? civil society involved?  These are all
> > question that, I am afraid, such a global comparison/ranking would fail
> to
> > answer.
> >
> > Some good examples of aiming to understand OGP action plans can be found
> > here:
> >
> > https://www.globalintegrity.org/posts/ogp-action-plan-assessments/
> > and
> >
> >
> http://www.opengovpartnership.org/blog/abhinav-bahl/2012/07/30/so-what%E2%80%99s-those-ogp-action-plans-anyway
> >
> > I strongly recommend to connect to the people at OGP/IRM specially Paul
> > Maassen whom I am putting in CC here.
> >
> > Daniel
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 05.08.2014, at 11:43, Tim Davies <tim at timdavies.org.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > Hey Alberto, Igbal
> > >
> > > Have you see the dataset that the Open Government Partnership
> > Independent Reporting Mechanism team are working on?
> > >
> > > http://www.opengovpartnership.org/independent-reporting-mechanism
> > >
> > > They are currently working on coding up the commitments made by
> > countries, and then sharing this data for others to analyse. Carrying out
> > an analysis of this data might be a good first step.
> > >
> > > They have been tagging commitments for level of ambition, as well as
> > theme etc.
> > >
> > > Because of the way the OGP works (voluntary commitments by countries,
> > supposed to be based on consultation with civil society in country), I'm
> > not sure a general ranking is possible or desirable - as countries should
> > be encouraged to improve their levels of ambition and their engagement
> with
> > local civil society, rather than to compete against some externally
> defined
> > set of important open government ideas.
> > >
> > > However, it might be possible to use tools like the Open Data Index to
> > scrutinize open data commitments in particular - checking that all the
> > datasets countries commit to publish are checked for those countries that
> > commit to them. This sort of civil society provided evidence of meeting
> > commitments would potentially feed well into the Independent Reporting
> > Mechanism.
> > >
> > > An alternative approach would be to take the commitments data, and try
> > and create a platform to allow more public engagement with the
> commitments,
> > crowdsourcing views on whether they are (a) ambitious enough; and (b)
> being
> > applied and delivered on.
> > >
> > > All the best
> > >
> > > Tim
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 7:53 AM, Igbal Safarov <iqbal1986 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > Dear Alberto,
> > >
> > > It is very good idea to compare and do raking between countries.
> > Additionally, It is possible to develop "best practice" guideline based
> on
> > the good experience of countries. This guideline can help the experts to
> > meet and improve real situation.
> > >
> > > Thank you,
> > >
> > >
> > > On 5 August 2014 04:41, alberto abella <alberto.abella at okfn.es> wrote:
> > > I've talked with Laura James and in the local coord list that it would
> > be good to assess globally all the national action plans that the
> different
> > countries submit to the OGP.
> > >
> > > It is true that some assessment is done in OGP but the results are not
> > ranked, neither clearly published. We (the coordinator of Ireland and
> > Spain) agree that our national plans were 'quite improvable' (bullshit is
> > another equivalent word to describe them but I want to be polite)
> > >
> > > We thought that because of the network of OKFN we could arrange such
> > public assessment and make comparisons between countries.
> > >
> > > What do you think.
> > >
> > > Alberto
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
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> > >
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