[open-government] Public assessment of the OGP national plans. Jus an experiment with these data.
alberto abella
alberto.abella at okfn.es
Tue Aug 19 08:06:13 UTC 2014
I have just made a tiny experiment about creating a countries' ranking
based on their ambition in their OGP plans and their accomplishment.
I insist, it is just an experiment in order to check if we would be able
to create something serious and sound.
Sorry Daniel, although I agree with you that it is not fair comparison,
I could not resist the temptation to create it.
http://gobernamos.com/2014/08/19/an-experiment-with-data-from-the-open-government-partnership/
Alberto
On Tue, 2014-08-12 at 10:00 +0200, paul maassen wrote:
> Morning all,
>
>
> I am working with Miska Knapek, who some of you in the OKF crowd
> probably know, to get a good visualization tool up - both expert and
> layman view - on the IRM data (enriched with issue tags). Hard work,
> but slowly getting closer. Will be ready end of September latest I
> hope. It really should help us all to filter and sort the data, make
> comparisons of countries, see if performance on certain issues is
> better than on others etc. All based on the IRM data though, so deeper
> analysis on specific topics, or ambition measured against
> international standards etc would be a separate exercise.
>
>
> I know some of the OGP working groups are looking into commitments
> made on their specific issue area. The fiscal openness working group
> made td analysis public already.
>
>
> Best
> Paul
>
>
>
> On 10 August 2014 18:47, alberto abella <alberto.abella at okfn.es>
> wrote:
>
> My initial concern was that governments feel no pressure from
> public opinion by providing non ambitious action plans to the
> OGP, with no relevant actions in them and even missing
> systematically their commitments.
>
> Lots of efforts have been made by the IRM, Census and other
> initiatives.
> We have to make easy for the public opinion to understand who
> is doing real efforts (and for journalists to write an easy
> headline)
>
> Any tool to visualize the real efforts and achievements vs
> action plans in the simplest form (and a rank is just an
> example), will help to understand who is doing real efforts
> and to put some pressure the governments to meet their
> commitments.
>
> Alberto
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 2014-08-06 at 16:58 +0100, Daniela Mattern wrote:
>
> > @Mor:
> >
> >
> > +1 on syncing with the Census work.
> >
> >
> > There has been some suggestion around providing more
> > background information around the country that is evaluated
> > in the census, for instance
> >
> >
> > - existence and quality of FOIA
> > - existence of OGP
> > - existence of national Open Data Portal
> >
> >
> > To my mind a good place for this information would be a
> > wiki, apart from this we can of course have spreadsheets for
> > comparison between countries. In the census we then could
> > have a link to a wiki page ...
> >
> >
> > I am happy to participate.
> >
> >
> > Daniela
> >
> >
> >
> > On 6 August 2014 16:24, alberto abella
> > <alberto.abella at okfn.es> wrote:
> >
> > I think that apart from the raw databases that IRM
> > provides Alan has done most of the job, to gather a
> > summarize data about the commitments.
> > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tFdLFTvo5cHlVJ3rjM17YYMgXc6UFrPrgJsN_dgMUMc/edit#gid=1090828196
> >
> > Don't you think that further treatment
> > (visualization) on these data (kind of rank) would
> > be an incentive for best practice sharing between
> > countries?
> >
> > I know that Tim has much more experience than me
> > (possibly Alan and Igbal you too) but it seemed to
> > me a good idea ;-D
> >
> > Alberto
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 2014-08-05 at 05:49 -0400, Alan Hudson
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Definitely worth being in touch with Paul Massen
> > > on this. He's been giving some thought to ways of
> > > making the excellent IRM data more accessible and
> > > useful - visualisations, platforms etc.
> > >
> > >
> > > My post from May includes some links that people
> > > might want to explore too re IRM data and analysis
> > >
> > >
> > > http://alanhudson.info/?p=11589
> > >
> > >
> > > best
> > > alan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 5:43 AM, Tim Davies
> > > <tim at timdavies.org.uk> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hey Alberto, Igbal
> > >
> > > Have you see the dataset that the Open
> > > Government Partnership Independent
> > > Reporting Mechanism team are working on?
> > >
> > > http://www.opengovpartnership.org/independent-reporting-mechanism
> > >
> > >
> > > They are currently working on coding up
> > > the commitments made by countries, and
> > > then sharing this data for others to
> > > analyse. Carrying out an analysis of this
> > > data might be a good first step.
> > >
> > >
> > > They have been tagging commitments for
> > > level of ambition, as well as theme etc.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Because of the way the OGP works
> > > (voluntary commitments by countries,
> > > supposed to be based on consultation with
> > > civil society in country), I'm not sure a
> > > general ranking is possible or desirable -
> > > as countries should be encouraged to
> > > improve their levels of ambition and their
> > > engagement with local civil society,
> > > rather than to compete against some
> > > externally defined set of important open
> > > government ideas.
> > >
> > >
> > > However, it might be possible to use tools
> > > like the Open Data Index to scrutinize
> > > open data commitments in particular -
> > > checking that all the datasets countries
> > > commit to publish are checked for those
> > > countries that commit to them. This sort
> > > of civil society provided evidence of
> > > meeting commitments would potentially feed
> > > well into the Independent Reporting
> > > Mechanism.
> > >
> > >
> > > An alternative approach would be to take
> > > the commitments data, and try and create a
> > > platform to allow more public engagement
> > > with the commitments, crowdsourcing views
> > > on whether they are (a) ambitious enough;
> > > and (b) being applied and delivered on.
> > >
> > >
> > > All the best
> > >
> > > Tim
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 7:53 AM, Igbal
> > > Safarov <iqbal1986 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Alberto,
> > >
> > >
> > > It is very good idea to compare
> > > and do raking between countries.
> > > Additionally, It is possible to
> > > develop "best practice" guideline
> > > based on the good experience of
> > > countries. This guideline can help
> > > the experts to meet and improve
> > > real situation.
> > >
> > >
> > > Thank you,
> > >
> > >
> > > On 5 August 2014 04:41, alberto
> > > abella <alberto.abella at okfn.es>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > I've talked with Laura
> > > James and in the local
> > > coord list that it would
> > > be good to assess globally
> > > all the national action
> > > plans that the different
> > > countries submit to the
> > > OGP.
> > >
> > > It is true that some
> > > assessment is done in OGP
> > > but the results are not
> > > ranked, neither clearly
> > > published. We (the
> > > coordinator of Ireland and
> > > Spain) agree that our
> > > national plans were 'quite
> > > improvable' (bullshit is
> > > another equivalent word to
> > > describe them but I want
> > > to be polite)
> > >
> > > We thought that because of
> > > the network of OKFN we
> > > could arrange such public
> > > assessment and make
> > > comparisons between
> > > countries.
> > >
> > > What do you think.
> > >
> > > Alberto
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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