[Open-Legislation] Updated the working group page

Mon Apr 30 15:27:55 UTC 2012

Thanks for the tip!

Btw, the "i.e." below should have been an "e.g":

-> "cut'n pasting an amendment from *e.g.* BSA"

Hope it was clear anyway.

Best regards.

//Erik

On 04/30/2012 02:26 PM, Andrew Mandelbaum wrote:
> On this note, we are hosting a conference today for parliamentary
> monitoring organizations in Washington, DC, featuring leaders of
> groups from 37 countries.  A livestream is available here:
> www.ndi.org/live <http://www.ndi.org/live>.  The hashtag is #pmo2012.
>  Feel free to join in remotely.
>
> Best,
> Andrew
>
> 2012/4/30 JOSEFSSON Erik <erik.josefsson at europarl.europa.eu
> <mailto:erik.josefsson at europarl.europa.eu>>
>
>     On 04/29/2012 10:48 PM, Rufus Pollock wrote:
>>     Hi All,
>>
>>     I've just tidied up the Working Group's current home page:
>>
>>     <http://wiki.okfn.org/Working_Groups/Legislation>
>
>     Brilliant!
>
>
>>     In particular I've added a revised Purpose sectoin based on an irc
>>     chat with Friedrich a few weeks. It now reads:
>>
>>     1. Define the area of Open Legislation - what it means and what it involves
>
>     Your formulation is very good, and I think "collaborative work on
>     legal documents" should definitely be within the scope.
>
>     If we manage to licence at4am under AGPLv3+ and scrape (or
>     otherwise export) complete EP datasets, then we could build a
>     perfect clone on the internet, which in effect would be a
>     "Parallel Parliament" where the debate on amendments and
>     justifications could be long-tailed far beyond the Brussels Bubble.
>
>     What I think we thought was self evident as activists back in 2003
>     when we distributed voting lists (FFII clones of the VL's that the
>     Tabling Office and Group Staff produced) to MEPs outside Plenary
>     and via email, was not at all self evident to the managers of the
>     decision making process in the EP.
>
>     We were really just delivering the right information in the right
>     time in the right format to the right people. Normally that's a
>     service provided by the lobby industry and not civil society.
>
>     If you are an MEP (or a trusted Group Staffer), the difference
>     between cut'n pasting an amendment from i.e. BSA that you have
>     received in an email (right information in the right time in the
>     right format to the right people...) and doing the same from an
>     on-line application that looks the same as the one you are pasting
>     the amendment into is not that big in terms of effort. But huge in
>     terms of pretty much everything else.
>
>     Also, since the cash-for-amendments scandal
>     (http://www.alter-eu.org/events/2012/04/02/brussels-university-debate-about-eu-lobbying-with-alter-eu-panelist)
>     I think the number of MEPs who still prefer to sell their services
>     in bars around Place Luxembourg rather than from home over a TS
>     session is close to zero, while the work-from-home MEPs are
>     probably growing in numbers
>     (http://www.europarl.europa.eu/portalep/tsmain.html).
>
>
>
>>     2. Act as a central point of reference and support for people who are
>>     interested in open legislation
>
>     Sure!
>
>
>>     3. Identify practices of early adopters, collecting data and developing guides.
>
>     I would push for EPFSUG here. The user group has been involved in
>     ParlTrack and Pippi Longstrings in various ways and could
>     potentially be tapped on info on how "at4am+parltrack
>     applications" should look like to make sense and properly reflect
>     the work inside the EP.
>
>
>>     4. Act as a hub for the development of low cost, community driven
>>     projects related to open legislation
>
>     I have a feeling things are moving a bit behind the scenes on
>     these matters so I'd like to push for AGPLv3+ licensed projects as
>     early as possible. It would be a pity if a successful project
>     suddenly gets an EU grant but with an EUPL licensing condition
>     attached (unless the EUPL Appendix is amended to include AGPLv3+).
>
>
>>     What do people think?
>>
>
>     Brilliant!
>
>
>     //Erik
>
>
>
>
>
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