[Open-Legislation] [OKFest-Coord] Parliamentary Monitoring

JOSEFSSON Erik erik.josefsson at europarl.europa.eu
Fri May 18 20:57:46 UTC 2012

Thank you Fabrizio!

I hope some material in the "hub-archive" can be useful:

Basically, the question is how TFEU 218.10 has been applied throughout
the procedure:

    *"The European Parliament shall be immediately and fully informed at
    all stages of the procedure."*

Who is the "European Parliament"? What exactly does "immediately",
"fully" and "stages" mean?

As an example, is "initialling" a "stage"? "Initialling" was a key
concept in the 2010 November resolution (see ALDE and Greens/EFA

And as you know, TFEU 218.10 and the framework agreement are still
relevant in the ACTA procedure. As far as I know Lehne/JURI has not yet
received an answer from the Commission
http://lists.act-on-acta.eu/pipermail/hub/2012-May/000100.html while
Greens/EFA received an answer on 10 May

I am happy to assist further inquiries.


On 05/18/2012 01:06 PM, Fabrizio Scrollini wrote:
> Erik,
> There seems to be a great stream of research on ACTA, and the way it
> is negotiated. 
> On the specific case of your negotiations you probably will not be
> surprised that Europe is not alone. The TPP process is apparently very
> similar in terms of secrecy. A Chilean NGO Derechos Digitales tried to
> get more information with not much success. Here is the latest on that
> from
> Chile http://www.derechosdigitales.org/2012/05/16/notpp-reporte-sobre-nueva-ronda-de-negociaciones-del-tpp-en-dallas/,
> unfortunately in Spanish.
> Best wishes,
> Fabrizio
> On 18 May 2012 09:43, JOSEFSSON Erik
> <erik.josefsson at europarl.europa.eu
> <mailto:erik.josefsson at europarl.europa.eu>> wrote:
>     Can someone please do a PhD on TFEU 218.10 and ACTA?
>     It's pretty urgent.
>     //Erik
>     ----- Reply message -----
>     Från: "Fabrizio Scrollini" <fabrizio.scrollini at gmail.com
>     <mailto:fabrizio.scrollini at gmail.com>>
>     Till: "Antti Poikola" <antti.poikola at gmail.com
>     <mailto:antti.poikola at gmail.com>>
>     Kopia: "Open Government WG List" <open-government at lists.okfn.org
>     <mailto:open-government at lists.okfn.org>>, "Juha Yrjölä"
>     <juha.yrjola at kansanmuisti.fi
>     <mailto:juha.yrjola at kansanmuisti.fi>>,
>     <open-legislation at lists.okfn.org
>     <mailto:open-legislation at lists.okfn.org>>,
>     <contact at regardscitoyens.org
>     <mailto:contact at regardscitoyens.org>>,
>     <okfestival-coord at lists.okfn.org
>     <mailto:okfestival-coord at lists.okfn.org>>
>     Rubrik: [Open-Legislation] [OKFest-Coord] Parliamentary Monitoring
>     Datum: fre, maj 18, 2012 00:27
>     Hi all,
>     Some of you might know me, but just in case Fabrizio from Uruguay,
>     living in London for a while, doing a PhD on FOI.
>     There is a group of Uruguayans collaborating with others, on the
>     Parliamentary monitoring stream and they will go to Paris (me as
>     well) and to Helsinki (we are trying to sort out how)
>     In terms of streams I think if you have a big enough crowd to
>     organise a Parliamentary Monitoring stream you should go ahead, as
>     really good  outcomes could come up from there. The challenges of
>     this stream IMHO is about convergence of technical standards on
>     one side, as well as building up the right set of incentives to
>     collaborate with other PMO that are already doing great stuff on
>     the field
>     If not the umbrealla Open Democracy can also include other
>     initiatives (like FOI alaveteli kind of initiatives) or electoral
>     speech verification. This is also good,but different from just
>     focusing on PMO.
>     Best wishes,
>     Fabrizio
>     On 17 May 2012 22:33, Antti Poikola <antti.poikola at gmail.com
>     <mailto:antti.poikola at gmail.com>> wrote:
>         Hi Benjamin and others,
>         don't worry too much about the Topic Stream complexities.
>         Basically it means that each stream has bunch of people (Guest
>         Programme Planners) doing the actual planning for that topic
>         and we have now the second call for proposals where people
>         (like you) may submit content -ideas for the streams (
>         http://okfestival.org/call-for-proposals/ )
>         From Finland it seems that possibly Juha Yrjölä or someone
>         else from the Kansanmuisti (Finnish Parliament Monitoring
>         Organization) will be in Paris, maybe you could try to find
>         each other and suggest some kind of discussion continuum
>         between Paris and Helsinki.
>         The Open Democracy and Civic Movements -topic stream people
>         are having discussion about this in their planning Facebook
>         Group If you wish to participate (someone needs to add you to
>         the group)
>         http://www.facebook.com/groups/opendemocracy.okfest
>         <http://www.facebook.com/groups/opendemocracy.okfest/147425308716168/>
>         BR,
>         -Jogi
>         On 17.5.2012 20:02, Benjamin Ooghe-Tabanou wrote:
>>>         Are there any people on the lists who already know that will participate
>>>         both Paris and Helsinki -events?
>>         At least one person from Regards Citoyens (organising the conference
>>         in Paris) should be in Helsinki as well, but as we precised in our
>>         application, as we all are volunteers, we probably won't be able to be
>>         there for the full week but only for 2 or 3 days.
>>         I believe we are not the only ones in this situation, so I think the
>>         stream thing (which I agree with Daniel sounds quite complex at the
>>         moment) should be used to focus each event related to the stream
>>         within only a couple days, so that people interested especially in one
>>         or two particular streams can attend them without having to be there
>>         the full week.
>>         Regarding organisation of this, I guess the regular
>>         keynotes/presentations/workgroup sessions/hacksessions/discussiontime
>>         should be good?
>>         As an outcome of the previous PMO meeting with Tom and Andrew among
>>         plenty others, and as we envision the Paris event, I believe that two
>>         important issues should be discussed during this stream as a follow-up
>>         : how to collaborate between common projects over the world, both on
>>         the technical (like with PopIt from mySociety) and advocating (around
>>         the current draft of the declaration for open parliaments) aspects.
>>         For french readers, we've just posted a blogpost on this here :
>>         http://www.regardscitoyens.org/mutualiser-les-efforts-pour-plus-de-transparence-dans-les-parlements-du-monde-entier/
>>         Cheers,
>>         Benjamin for Regards Citoyens
>>>         -Jogi
>>>         On 16.5.2012 23:28, Daniel Dietrich wrote:
>>>>         Hi Lucy,
>>>>         there was a thread (WG lists CC'ed) about the idea to organize some
>>>>         sessions around "open parliamentary / legislation data"[1]  as a
>>>>         continuation of the debate that goes from PMO conference in DC[2] to the
>>>>         upcoming Paris[3] conference.
>>>>         I think this is a great idea and we should try to make it happen. Maybe
>>>>         people involved (Benjamin, Tom, Andrew and others) would help coordinating
>>>>         this a bit?
>>>>         In regards to the streams: This has all become a bit complex. I understand
>>>>         it all makes perfect sense from the org point of view, but - to be honest -
>>>>         I don't care under which "stream" good things are happening - as long as
>>>>         they are actually happening :)
>>>>         Lets push things fwd!
>>>>         Daniel
>>>>         1. we agreed that the term "parliamentary informatics" actually suites
>>>>         better
>>>>         2. http://www.ndi.org/node/18544
>>>>         3. http://www.lafabriquedelaloi.fr/
>>>>         On 16 May 2012, at 19:46, Lucy Chambers wrote:
>>>>>         There has just been a very good question raised in the Open Democracy
>>>>>         Facebook group:
>>>>>         "Will this stream have a Parliamentary monitoring element?" - I just
>>>>>         quickly wanted to check whether any of the other streams (Government,
>>>>>         Legislation etc.) were considering an element like this?
>>>>>         If so, please shout out - otherwise we shall progress with discussing
>>>>>         including it in the Open Democracy Stream!
>>>>>         Lucy
>>>>>         --
>>>>>         Lucy Chambers
>>>>>         Community Coordinator,
>>>>>         OpenSpending&  Data Journalism
>>>>>         Open Knowledge Foundation
>>>>>         Skype: lucyfediachambers
>>>>>         Twitter: @lucyfedia
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>     Fabrizio Scrollini
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> Fabrizio Scrollini

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