[Open-Legislation] [OKFest-Coord] Parliamentary Monitoring

Johns, Sarah Sarah.Johns at plan-international.org
Sat May 19 23:22:23 UTC 2012

Hi Andrew, with regards to participants from regions other than Europe and the US. The Open Development stream is grappling with the same problem. At the moment we're looking for external ie non-OKFN funding to support participants from Africa and Asia to attend. We've just started so if you want to swop noted, let me know and I'll put you in touch with ppl looking after that bit of our stream.



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On 19 May 2012, at 07:56, "Andrew Mandelbaum" <amandelbaum at ndi.org<mailto:amandelbaum at ndi.org>> wrote:

 Hi All,

Regarding participation in Helsinki, NDI is interested in exploring the possibility. Are any parliamentary monitoring organizations (PMOs) outside of Western Europe and the U.S. (with the exception of Transparencia Hacker, since Pedro already spoke up) planning on participating? Is OKFN planning to support participants from the "non-developed" democracies?

I will be at the Paris conference and I imagine that Helsinki might make a good follow-on opportunity, assuming a similarly diverse group of PMOs would be involved.


On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 4:57 PM, JOSEFSSON Erik <<mailto:erik.josefsson at europarl.europa.eu>erik.josefsson at europarl.europa.eu<mailto:erik.josefsson at europarl.europa.eu>> wrote:
Thank you Fabrizio!

I hope some material in the "hub-archive" can be useful: <http://lists.act-on-acta.eu/pipermail/hub/> http://lists.act-on-acta.eu/pipermail/hub/

Basically, the question is how TFEU 218.10 has been applied throughout the procedure:
"The European Parliament shall be immediately and fully informed at all stages of the procedure."
Who is the "European Parliament"? What exactly does "immediately", "fully" and "stages" mean?

As an example, is "initialling" a "stage"? "Initialling" was a key concept in the 2010 November resolution (see ALDE and Greens/EFA resolutions <http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?type=MOTION&reference=B7-2010-0619&language=EN> http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?type=MOTION&reference=B7-2010-0619&language=EN and <http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?type=MOTION&reference=B7-2010-0617&language=EN> http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?type=MOTION&reference=B7-2010-0617&language=EN )

And as you know, TFEU 218.10 and the framework agreement are still relevant in the ACTA procedure. As far as I know Lehne/JURI has not yet received an answer from the Commission <http://lists.act-on-acta.eu/pipermail/hub/2012-May/000100.html> http://lists.act-on-acta.eu/pipermail/hub/2012-May/000100.html while Greens/EFA received an answer on 10 May <http://lists.act-on-acta.eu/pipermail/hub/2012-May/000101.html> http://lists.act-on-acta.eu/pipermail/hub/2012-May/000101.html.

I am happy to assist further inquiries.


On 05/18/2012 01:06 PM, Fabrizio Scrollini wrote:

There seems to be a great stream of research on ACTA, and the way it is negotiated.

On the specific case of your negotiations you probably will not be surprised that Europe is not alone. The TPP process is apparently very similar in terms of secrecy. A Chilean NGO Derechos Digitales tried to get more information with not much success. Here is the latest on that from Chile <http://www.derechosdigitales.org/2012/05/16/notpp-reporte-sobre-nueva-ronda-de-negociaciones-del-tpp-en-dallas/> http://www.derechosdigitales.org/2012/05/16/notpp-reporte-sobre-nueva-ronda-de-negociaciones-del-tpp-en-dallas/, unfortunately in Spanish.

Best wishes,


On 18 May 2012 09:43, JOSEFSSON Erik <<mailto:erik.josefsson at europarl.europa.eu>erik.josefsson at europarl.europa.eu<mailto:erik.josefsson at europarl.europa.eu>> wrote:
Can someone please do a PhD on TFEU 218.10 and ACTA?

It's pretty urgent.


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Rubrik: [Open-Legislation] [OKFest-Coord] Parliamentary Monitoring
Datum: fre, maj 18, 2012 00:27

Hi all,

Some of you might know me, but just in case Fabrizio from Uruguay, living in London for a while, doing a PhD on FOI.

There is a group of Uruguayans collaborating with others, on the Parliamentary monitoring stream and they will go to Paris (me as well) and to Helsinki (we are trying to sort out how)

In terms of streams I think if you have a big enough crowd to organise a Parliamentary Monitoring stream you should go ahead, as really good  outcomes could come up from there. The challenges of this stream IMHO is about convergence of technical standards on one side, as well as building up the right set of incentives to collaborate with other PMO that are already doing great stuff on the field

If not the umbrealla Open Democracy can also include other initiatives (like FOI alaveteli kind of initiatives) or electoral speech verification. This is also good,but different from just focusing on PMO.
Best wishes,

On 17 May 2012 22:33, Antti Poikola <<mailto:antti.poikola at gmail.com>antti.poikola at gmail.com<mailto:antti.poikola at gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Benjamin and others,

don't worry too much about the Topic Stream complexities. Basically it means that each stream has bunch of people (Guest Programme Planners) doing the actual planning for that topic and we have now the second call for proposals where people (like you) may submit content -ideas for the streams ( <http://okfestival.org/call-for-proposals/> http://okfestival.org/call-for-proposals/ )

From Finland it seems that possibly Juha Yrjölä or someone else from the Kansanmuisti (Finnish Parliament Monitoring Organization) will be in Paris, maybe you could try to find each other and suggest some kind of discussion continuum between Paris and Helsinki.

The Open Democracy and Civic Movements -topic stream people are having discussion about this in their planning Facebook Group If you wish to participate (someone needs to add you to the group)


On 17.5.2012 20:02, Benjamin Ooghe-Tabanou wrote:

Are there any people on the lists who already know that will participate
both Paris and Helsinki -events?

At least one person from Regards Citoyens (organising the conference
in Paris) should be in Helsinki as well, but as we precised in our
application, as we all are volunteers, we probably won't be able to be
there for the full week but only for 2 or 3 days.
I believe we are not the only ones in this situation, so I think the
stream thing (which I agree with Daniel sounds quite complex at the
moment) should be used to focus each event related to the stream
within only a couple days, so that people interested especially in one
or two particular streams can attend them without having to be there
the full week.

Regarding organisation of this, I guess the regular
keynotes/presentations/workgroup sessions/hacksessions/discussiontime
should be good?
As an outcome of the previous PMO meeting with Tom and Andrew among
plenty others, and as we envision the Paris event, I believe that two
important issues should be discussed during this stream as a follow-up
: how to collaborate between common projects over the world, both on
the technical (like with PopIt from mySociety) and advocating (around
the current draft of the declaration for open parliaments) aspects.

For french readers, we've just posted a blogpost on this here :


Benjamin for Regards Citoyens


On 16.5.2012 23:28, Daniel Dietrich wrote:

Hi Lucy,

there was a thread (WG lists CC'ed) about the idea to organize some
sessions around "open parliamentary / legislation data"[1]  as a
continuation of the debate that goes from PMO conference in DC[2] to the
upcoming Paris[3] conference.

I think this is a great idea and we should try to make it happen. Maybe
people involved (Benjamin, Tom, Andrew and others) would help coordinating
this a bit?

In regards to the streams: This has all become a bit complex. I understand
it all makes perfect sense from the org point of view, but - to be honest -
I don't care under which "stream" good things are happening - as long as
they are actually happening :)

Lets push things fwd!


1. we agreed that the term "parliamentary informatics" actually suites
2. <http://www.ndi.org/node/18544> http://www.ndi.org/node/18544
3. <http://www.lafabriquedelaloi.fr/> http://www.lafabriquedelaloi.fr/

On 16 May 2012, at 19:46, Lucy Chambers wrote:

There has just been a very good question raised in the Open Democracy
Facebook group:

"Will this stream have a Parliamentary monitoring element?" - I just
quickly wanted to check whether any of the other streams (Government,
Legislation etc.) were considering an element like this?

If so, please shout out - otherwise we shall progress with discussing
including it in the Open Democracy Stream!


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