[Open-Legislation] Fwd: [euopendata] Examples of using open data on legislation?

Clemens Wass clemens at wass.at
Tue Apr 8 08:27:36 UTC 2014


I agree, the aim should be participation, collaboration and transparency,
also in the law-making process.
>From a "strategy" point of view, it is also important to pick the people up
where they are today. Who actually reads legal texts? How can we make it
easier for people to deal with existing legislation. It is probably hard to
get them involved in the law-making process, if people do not even
understand (or have sufficient access) to legislation that is in force and
effect (wich is supposed to be the "easier" part). I guess this is also a
little bit the direction of Ton's question if I understand correctly, right?

Best, Clemens

2014-04-08 10:11 GMT+02:00 JOSEFSSON Erik <erik.josefsson at europarl.europa.eu

>  Hi Ton,
> I think it is unhelpful to draw a strict line between how laws are made
> and use of existing laws.
> The aquis (existing EU law) is constantly used in the legislative process
> (the "making" of EU law).
> The goal of Open-Legislation has to be to open legislation for the people
> who are subject to it in the sense that it should make sense to participate
> in the democratic process.
> We should work towards getting rid of the artificial wall between the
> inner and the outer workings of the EP (and other parliaments). A graph
> with a "copypaste index" per legislative field should be created comparing
> MS laws with what is published in the OJ. It's almost a trivial problem.
> Speaking of trivial, did anyone complete the ACTA diffs project yet? Or
> Telecoms Package III?
> This is just too ugly!
> http://euwiki.org/ACTA/diffs
> http://euwiki.org/Telecoms_Package
> How is the packaging of Catmandu progressing so that we can have some
> tools to work with in DebanParl?
> etc
> //Erik
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* open-legislation [open-legislation-bounces at lists.okfn.org] on
> behalf of Ton Zijlstra [ton.zijlstra at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday 8 April 2014 09:49
> *To:* stef
> *Cc:* open-legislation
> *Subject:* Re: [Open-Legislation] Fwd: [euopendata] Examples of using
> open data on legislation?
>     Hi Stef,
>  Thanks for getting back on this.
>  I am specifically looking for applications / usage of open data on
> existing laws. Parltrack, pippi longstrings are looking at the legislative
> process, or the way laws get made.
>  My question is about the bodies of laws already in place, so after they
> got into force, and to see how they are being used as open data. So I am
> not looking at the parliamentary / legislative side, but at the judicial
> (although not in the sense of verdicts/jurisprudence)
>  Legislation.gov.uk for instance, where you can find all laws for the UK
> for instance has spent a lot of effort of turning it into linked open data.
> Is anyone using that data, and if so how?
>  Dutch existing laws for instance are at wetten.nl and available as open
> data as well. For those I know of a handful of applications and e.g. Kluwer
> Navigator who use that open data in their products.
>  I'm looking for more examples you can think of from countries like
> France, UK, Germany, Austria, Scandinavia.
>  thanks in advance.
>  Ton
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> ton at tonzijlstra.eu
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> http://zylstra.org/blog
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> On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 6:57 PM, stef <s at ctrlc.hu> wrote:
>> On Mon, Apr 07, 2014 at 11:02:48AM +0100, Sander van der Waal wrote:
>> > Some people on this list may have some examples for Ton?
>>  i don't quite get the question, this list is all about that. i'd guess
>> 80% of
>> us have examples: parltrack, pippi longstrings, diriwa, herr nilsson are
>> the
>> first things that come to my mind just what i contributed to.
>> --
>> otr fp: https://www.ctrlc.hu/~stef/otr.txt
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