[open-linguistics] Open Linguistics workshop/meetup at OKCon 2011?

Sun May 29 07:46:47 UTC 2011

'this would be a journal to publish the data itself, not methodology,
intended applications etc (although this might be added as supplementary
material, just the opposite of what is currently found in journal articles)'

Exactly. That's what I had in mind: bring data to the forefront. Maybe we
can try something similar at OKFN?

On May 29, 2011 9:24 AM, "Sebastian Nordhoff" <sebastian_nordhoff at eva.mpg.de>
wrote:
>
> On Sun, 29 May 2011 01:29:17 +0200, Richard Littauer <
richard.littauer at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> *So maybe it would be worth considering something along the lines of an
>>>
>>> online journal by the OKF that allows people to publish articles
describing
>>> their open datasets, methodology for creation, intended applications,
etc.?
>
>
> at MPI-EVA, we are currently working on a grant application for a database
journal for linguistic typology. But this would be a journal to publish the
data itself, not methodology, intended applications etc (although this might
be added as supplementary material, just the opposite of what is currently
found in journal articles)
> Best
> Sebastian N
>
>>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>>
>> *
>> I think this is worth considering. I think that it falls within the scope
of
>> the OKF, and would be justifiable from that standpoint. Further, I think
>> that certain aspects of Linguistics are worth putting in the public
domain,
>> and that they would be justifiable to any linguist. The amount of blogs
>> about idioms, morphology, phonetics research, and in particular
>> sociolinguistics are a testament to a willingness among linguists to talk
>> about things which interest them, and to a desire to put things into the
>> public domain.
>>
>> The difficulty is identifying a) where legality lies, as far as ownership
of
>> data (with the funder? the researcher? the speaker? the community?) b)
what
>> the author is willing to write up and give out publicly. Supplementary
data
>> supplied for published papers is a good example - that doesn't
necessarily
>> need to be locked within the publishers domain, and often isn't, but can
be
>> used in it's own right by future researchers. Methodology is a case where
if
>> we come at it from a pedagogical angle, it makes more sense for people to
>> give their knowledge away - for the sake of students and prestige is
enough
>> of a reason to give away what are, after all, not that important trade
>> secrets. I suspect that anything involving 'intent' will be trickier.
>>
>> Some presentations on this would be great, I feel.
>>
>> Oh - I'm new. My name is Richard Littauer, graduated MA Linguistics from
>> Edinburgh in two weeks. I'm trying to see if I can come to Berlin,
depends
>> on my current employer and if they think that me talking about opening up
>> ecological workflows into the public domain would be a justifiable
expense.
>>
>> Richard
>>
>> On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 7:14 PM, Cornelius Puschmann <
>> cornelius.puschmann at uni-duesseldorf.de> wrote:
>>
>>> Pablo,
>>>
>>> I find this whitepaper from (Science/Neuro/Creative)Commons to be a good
>>> starting point, at least when it comes to the legal side of things:
>>> http://neurocommons.org/report/data-publication.pdf
>>>  <http://neurocommons.org/report/data-publication.pdf>(see also
>>> http://cyberling.org/node/31)
>>>
>>> *So maybe it would be worth considering something along the lines of an
>>> online journal by the OKF that allows people to publish articles
describing
>>> their oepn datasets, methodology for creation, intended applications,
etc.?
>>> *
>>>
>>> Should this be an all-purpose OKFN data journal or something discipline
>>> specific in your view? I agree that publishing new data should be tied
to
>>> the notion of a journal/publication -- people sitting on valuable
datasets
>>> will rarely make then available unless they feel it's in the form of a
>>> "real", citable publication.
>>>
>>> A colleague in communications who studies the Internet's effect on
science
>>> conducted a survey recently in which he asked people (among other
things)
>>> about their readiness to make data freely available. The results were
not
>>> very uplifting: about 10% of the respondents would share openly, some
with a
>>> password (30%), the majority won't share at all.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Cornelius
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 7:18 PM, Pablo Mendes <pablomendes at gmail.com
>wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would be very interested in hearing about a set of minimal guidelines
>>>> for releasing open linguistics datasets. I am willing to do some
lobbying
>>>> with authors of datasets I use to release them more openly, but I
wouldn't
>>>> know what to tell them, e.g. w.r.t. licensing.
>>>>
>>>> I also assume it would be soothing for them to hear that their efforts
>>>> would be credited somehow, e.g. as citations. So maybe it would be
worth
>>>> considering something along the lines of an online journal by the OKF
that
>>>> allows people to publish articles describing their oepn datasets,
>>>> methodology for creation, intended applications, etc.?
>>>>
>>>> Just thinking out loud here.
>>>>
>>>> Is there anybody you know that could speak of things of the sort?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Pablo
>>>> On May 28, 2011 5:50 PM, "Cornelius Puschmann" <
>>>> cornelius.puschmann at uni-duesseldorf.de> wrote:
>>>> > Hey guys,
>>>> >
>>>> > I'd love to participate in a meeting or workshop of the WG at OKCon,
but
>>>> > unfortunately I'll be in Australia on the 30 June/1 July. I hope to
>>>> > participate a bit more in the future though and will continue to
>>>> advertise
>>>> > the group...
>>>> >
>>>> > Best,
>>>> >
>>>> > Cornelius
>>>> >
>>>> > On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 12:41 AM, Jonathan Gray <
jonathan.gray at okfn.org
>>>> >wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 9:30 PM, Sebastian Hellmann
>>>> >> <hellmann at informatik.uni-leipzig.de> wrote:
>>>> >> > If more people join, we could actually make a workshop. Christian
>>>> could
>>>> >> > give a presentation about OLiA and POWLA and I could say something
>>>> >> about
>>>> >> > NIF, NLP2RDF and the conversion of Wiktionary to RDF
>>>> >>
>>>> >> (Cc'ing okfn-discuss too!)
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Anyone interested in an open linguistics meeting at OKCon 2011?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> http://okcon.okfnpad.org/linguistics
>>>> >>
>>>> >> If you think there should be a session on open linguistics at OKCon
>>>> >> and you'd be interested in attending, please add your name and ideas
>>>> >> to the link above!
>>>> >>
>>>> >> All the best,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Jonathan
>>>> >>
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