[open-linguistics] CC licenses

Wed Jun 13 08:06:30 UTC 2012

Dear all,
I came across a really nice leaflet detailing the pros and cons of CC-NC.
You can find it at
http://irights.info/userfiles/CC-NC_Leitfaden_web.pdf
Unfortunately, it is in German, but it is really really nice ... I don't  
know whether there is an English version of it. Some of the texts look as  
if they had been translated, so there might be a chance.
Sebastian

On Fri, 01 Jun 2012 09:26:49 +0200, Brian MacWhinney <macw at cmu.edu> wrote:

> It is important to keep these two issues separate.  The issue of misuse  
> would require me to get into detailed scenarios, and I would rather  
> delay that discussion until I could think through the details, consult  
> with others, and so on.  However, the issue of non-collaboration is much  
> easier to define.  The concern here is that commercial interests benefit  
> from academic research and the cooperativeness of the participants in  
> the interaction without providing anything back.  I think this is an  
> extremely clear and well defined concern and perhaps it is best to focus  
> on that issue first.
>
> -- Brian MacWhinney
>
> On Jun 1, 2012, at 12:42 AM, Nancy Ide wrote:
>
>>
>> On May 31, 2012, at 6:15 PM, Brian MacWhinney wrote:
>>
>>> I was hoping that the notion of "share alike" might serve as a filter  
>>> indicating that the commercial enterprise was
>>> operating cooperatively and collegially.  Is that unrealistic?
>>
>> I'm not sure, because the opinions on what it actually means vary. If I  
>> am not mistaken, Creative Commons is currently modifying, or at least  
>> clarifying, its definition as a result of this fuzziness.
>>>
>>> It just seems to me that removal of the NC restriction would seriously  
>>> change the nature of not only the way that
>>> contributors viewed their input to a collaborative research  
>>> collection, but also of how the participants in the interactions  
>>> viewed their contribution to the scientific enterprise.  If one can  
>>> believe that the companies involved are themselves doing science, then  
>>> most of that worry vanishes.  So, again, this is not about feeling bad  
>>> that people are making money.  It is about hoping that they are  
>>> willing to act as scientists and collaborators.
>>
>> I don't know the nature of the problems of misrepresentations you cited  
>> in an earlier note, but it is not clear to me what you think a  
>> commercial user could do to your data that would violate the  
>> contributors' assumptions. Short of re-publishing the data as their  
>> own, it seems the most likely uses in any context are for internal  
>> research (which might lead to a product), or creation of derivative  
>> works such as lexicons that may be used in a product. Neither of these  
>> scenarios seems out of the range of things you might have originally  
>> had in mind (or am I wrong?), so what activities would be beyond what  
>> you could accept?
>>
>> I guess I am trying to get you to identify specifically what you fear  
>> will happen if you eliminate NC and/or SA. That would help all of us to  
>> get a better idea of what the actual stakes are with these various  
>> licenses, which I think in many cases is rather vague in people's minds.
>>
>> Nancy
>>
>>>
>>> -- Brian
>>>
>>> On Jun 1, 2012, at 12:03 AM, Nancy Ide wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On May 31, 2012, at 5:58 PM, Brian MacWhinney wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I am sure that the people who have contributed their corpora would  
>>>>> have zero problem with CC-BY-SA.
>>>>
>>>> Let me chime in here and ask why you insist on SA vs. just CC-BY?  
>>>> Share-alike can be problematic for some (granted, mainly commercial  
>>>> users), so if you would be willing to eliminate the NC restriction,  
>>>> why continue to stick to SA?
>>>>
>>>>
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