[open-science] Publicising the Panton Principles?

Thu Feb 25 13:27:39 UTC 2010

Remixing a log is actually not remix, but a trademark issue. The cc
marks carry a very specific meaning - some rights reserved via
standardized copyright licenses, internationally - that is totallly
different from panton, which is not a cc project. even the creative
commons materials transfer agreements don't carry the
double-letters-in-a-circle mark.

trademark integrity is realy important in remix culture. this is why
it is important to distinguish copyrights from other ip rights - data
rights and copyrights are where remix authority and rights are
essential, not trademarks. otherwise you and i would be able to market
our own soda pop as "coke" and call it remix...

On 2/25/10, Brian Glanz <brian.glanz at gmail.com> wrote:
> A few points: yes I had deliberately remixed CC and kin for the option 'PP
> in the circle'.
>
> 15-pixel-high web buttons are almost a graphic standard. Many footers,
> sidebars, signatures, and other web parts are designed for them. It's
> sensible and appropriate for PP. Whatever other graphics everyone likes, as
> a usability guy myself I vote for buttons at least as an alternative. I have
> attached another round of graphics, again as .7z and .zip and will again
> insert some below. I also love Fabiana's PP keys, unlocking data and will
> get to that in a moment.
>
> Color: The typeface and version of red I had worked with in the first round
> were from http://pantonprinciples.org and I take it, from Panton Arms
> itself. It makes sense to visually match other OKFN buttons which might be
> used concurrently, one of which is "red and green" but not PP red. To
> Daniel's idea of using green, I agree except that even sites like
> http://www.sherpa.ac.uk/romeo/ and http://www.soros.org/openaccess et al.
> use several different greens to represent Green OA. If there is a green most
> apt, I suppose that is the color named "green" in the W3C HTML and CSS
> standards, i.e. #008000 or (R, G, B) of (0, 128, 0).
>
> For web buttons then: whether to favor matching the OKFN set, Panton Arms'
> red, or standard green? Perhaps offer all. By OKFN's file naming convention
> and the above details the buttons are:
>
> [image:
> ?ui=2&view=att&th=1270381f0b1437f1&attid=0.1&disp=attd&realattid=ii_1270381f0b1437f1&zw]
> pp_95x15_blue.PNG
>
> [image:
> ?ui=2&view=att&th=127038234042ea97&attid=0.1&disp=attd&realattid=ii_127038234042ea97&zw]
> pp_97x15_red_green.PNG
>
> [image:
> ?ui=2&view=att&th=1270382831aefe9c&attid=0.1&disp=attd&realattid=ii_1270382831aefe9c&zw]
> pp_97x15_orange_grey.PNG
>
> [image:
> ?ui=2&view=att&th=1270382cbfd3f2cb&attid=0.1&disp=attd&realattid=ii_1270382cbfd3f2cb&zw]
> pp_95x15_red.PNG -- the red used by PP
>
> [image:
> ?ui=2&view=att&th=12703832eedda23c&attid=0.1&disp=attd&realattid=ii_12703832eedda23c&zw]
> pp_95x15_green.PNG -- "green" say the W3C
>
> Back to Fabiana's keys. We might avoid the circle, but the symbol struck me.
> If the buttons above are a minimum impact, Web standard sort of graphic, an
> alternative badge might be more decorative. I thought of Panton Arms again
> and put Fabiana's graphic in a similarly proportioned shield:
>
> [image:
> ?ui=2&view=att&th=12703a7f1cf63027&attid=0.1&disp=attd&realattid=ii_12703a7f1cf63027&zw]
> or
> without the words, [image:
> ?ui=2&view=att&th=12703bdd2e2c7a71&attid=0.1&disp=attd&realattid=ii_12703bdd2e2c7a71&zw]
> except
> it makes me think "mustachioed man in glasses" which I hadn't thought with
> the words. BG
>
> On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 11:52 PM, Daniel Mietchen <
> daniel.mietchen at googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Brian,
>>
>> thanks for getting this started. A few observations:
>> -The PP in the circle being close to the CC logo is something that I
>> actually like and which you probably intended, but I understand that John
>> may have reservations on this.
>> - PP has too many possible meanings (e.g. those listed at
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pp ), which would dilute the clarity of the
>> message.
>> - Instead of the circles fading out in spikes, I would actually prefer
>> somet kind of meshing gear, to emphasize the reuse aspect. Demo at
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gears_animation.gif .
>> - Red may not be the best colour to choose for something people are
>> intended to support. Green would fit well in this respect, and it could
>> probably provide for some spill over from the Green OA movement (in which
>> repositories also feature prominently).
>>
>> Daniel
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 11:38 PM, Brian Glanz
>> <brian.glanz at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> For a graphic: I don't want to reopen any wounds :) but circle,
>>> "chicklet"
>>> AKA button, or a third way: "Web 2.0" style badge using the typeface from
>>> PP
>>> (Georgia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_%28typeface%29>)? I will
>>> insert a few options below and attach more in .7z and.zip, then I can
>>> make
>>> more of whichever everyone prefers. BG
>>>
>>> circle:
>>>
>>> [image:
>>> ?ui=2&view=att&th=126fcf40bec3b525&attid=0.1&disp=attd&realattid=ii_126fcf40bec3b525&zw]
>>>
>>> chicklet or button:
>>>
>>> [image:
>>> ?ui=2&view=att&th=126fcf4647a2f070&attid=0.1&disp=attd&realattid=ii_126fcf4647a2f070&zw]
>>>
>>> and others matching the OKFN set
>>>
>>> web 2.0 badge:
>>>
>>> 1: [image:
>>> ?ui=2&view=att&th=126fcf51c1a0933b&attid=0.1&disp=attd&realattid=ii_126fcf51c1a0933b&zw]
>>> or
>>> 2: [image:
>>> ?ui=2&view=att&th=126fcf55dd4dc628&attid=0.1&disp=attd&realattid=ii_126fcf55dd4dc628&zw]
>>> or
>>> 3: [image:
>>> ?ui=2&view=att&th=126fcf60c2653fb1&attid=0.1&disp=attd&realattid=ii_126fcf60c2653fb1&zw]
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Jonathan Gray
>>> <jonathan.gray at okfn.org>wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 9:05 PM, Dharma Akmon <dharma.akmon at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > Perhaps post to different science listservs?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your suggestion, Dharma! Do you have any ideas about any
>>>> particular listservs that might be good to contact? I guess in the UK
>>>> this might include several of the JISCmail lists.
>>>>
>>>> In particular it would be good if people could posts to lists they are
>>>> on for their research (where relevant!).
>>>>
>>>> I've set up a Google Docs to post ideas for publicising and for
>>>> keeping track of who has contacted who:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Ams8fpz2_77XdE1NNnpjVDYwU2dsdzdLRkZQZmlGaFE&hl=en
>>>>
>>>> Also anyone interested in helping with a nice 'Panton Principles'
>>>> button or similar so people can display endorsement on their website?
>>>>
>>>> All the best,
>>>>
>>>> Jonathan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > On Feb 23, 2010, at 2:28 PM, Jonathan Gray <jonathan.gray at okfn.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> Hi,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Just wonder if anyone has any cunning ideas about how we can continue
>>>> >> to get the word out about the Panton Principles?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Would be especially good if anyone had suggestions for people at OA
>>>> >> friendly science publications that we could contact! Or even at tech
>>>> >> news sites (Slashdot, Wired, ...).
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Also would much appreciate any further blogging, microblogging,
>>>> >> forwarding, etc.!
>>>> >>
>>>> >> All the best,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> --
>>>> >> Jonathan Gray
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Community Coordinator
>>>> >> The Open Knowledge Foundation
>>>> >> http://blog.okfn.org
>>>> >>
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>>>> >>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jonathan Gray
>>>>
>>>> Community Coordinator
>>>> The Open Knowledge Foundation
>>>> http://blog.okfn.org
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jonathan Gray
>>>>
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>>>>
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