[open-science] Open Science Microformats/Pattern languages? was Re: Launch of the Panton Principles for Open Data in Science + Is It Open Data?

John Wilbanks wilbanks at creativecommons.org
Thu Feb 25 19:29:14 UTC 2010

To be clear, if there is no legal tool attached, my position is that the
principles are not met. If you can't unambiguously tell that the data is
legally open, then the data is closed. Full stop. If it's in the EU, or the
UK, it's definitely closed. PDDL, CC0, handwritten note waiving rights,
whatever works. But in the absence of a pre-granted right to the user, it's
not open data.

The point of the principles was to come to consensus about what open data
was. Legal uncertainty violates every principle we have at Creative Commons
about open data.

I hate to be dogmatic, but this is very important. Please copy me on any
such text so I can evaluate it. If PP turns into making assertions about PD
status that aren't backed by legal reality, I will be forced to consider


On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Peter Murray-Rust <pm286 at cam.ac.uk> wrote:

> On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Jonathan Gray <jonathan.gray at okfn.org>wrote:
>> I agree with John that in order to be compliant (as stated in the
>> principles) data publishers should use a legal tool like CC0 or PDDL
>> or have some other explicit legal statement about the data. Just
>> linking to the Panton Principles is not sufficient to show that data
>> is open. It is equivalent someone wearing a badge saying 'I support
>> vegetarianism' - which does not say whether or not the person wearing
>> it is a vegetarian.
>> Perhaps it could be useful to have a brief guide to making data open
>> using existing legal tools on Panton Principles site? I.e. CC0/PDDL?
>> (Which is of course not to say that there aren't other ways of putting
>> things in public domain...)
> I have talked with Rufus and we have converged on attaching a form of words
> with the button which is simple and I think satisfies our various concerns.
> I need something which is almost trivial to implement; others need something
> which is legally acceptable. We've agreed Rufus will post it to make sure
> it's correct.
> P.
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