[open-science] Open Science Microformats/Pattern languages? was Re: Launch of the Panton Principles for Open Data in Science + Is It Open Data?

Fri Feb 26 19:45:49 UTC 2010

The folks at CC have been trying to help but it does not look like we can
make it work on Wikispaces - for now I'll just put in the CC0 license tag
without the metadata

On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 9:53 AM, Jean-Claude Bradley <
jeanclaude.bradley at gmail.com> wrote:

> OK - I sent a comment about this problem to CC
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 8:45 AM, Mr. Puneet Kishor <punkish at eidesis.org>wrote:
>
>>
>> On Feb 25, 2010, at 7:33 AM, Jean-Claude Bradley wrote:
>>
>>  Puneet,
>>> Until the issue gets resolved will putting this allow for automatic
>>> discovery of CC0 licensed content?
>>> <a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/"
>>> style="text-decoration:none;">
>>>    <img src="http://i.creativecommons.org/l/zero/1.0/88x31.png"
>>> border="0" alt="CC0" />
>>>  </a>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I am skating on thin ice here, but my understanding is that it won't be
>> enough. The 'rel' attribute indicates a relationship between your document
>> and the linked-to document, declaring the linked document to be a "license."
>> The other bits that you are omitting, actually allow extracting terms such
>> as 'publisher' and 'title' from your declaration. Note that if one (a human
>> being or a program) follows the a href, they land up at the CC0 waiver page
>> where they can get an earful re. the CC0 waiver, but have no clue as to the
>> entity that actually used that waiver.
>>
>> I have sent a query to CC, and I suggest you do so as well. Hopefully we
>> will have this resolved rapidly. In the meantime, as I said, just put the
>> whole bit inside HTML comments, with only the CC0 badge showing up and going
>> through the validator.
>>
>>
>>  On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 8:05 AM, Mr. Puneet Kishor <punkish at eidesis.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> Jean-Claude,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 25, 2010, at 6:26 AM, Jean-Claude Bradley wrote:
>>>
>>> Puneet
>>> I tried to use the entire code generated by
>>> http://creativecommons.org/choose/zero
>>>
>>> But it kept throwing an HTML error code:
>>> The HTML you have entered is not valid HTML: No declaration for attribute
>>> content of element span
>>>
>>> Yes, that is a problem, and not just because it is not valid HTML. It
>>> doesn't seem to be valid XHTML+RDFa as well, as per the validator at
>>> http://validator.w3.org/check
>>>
>>> Interestingly, W3C's recommended RDFa syntax at
>>> http://www.w3.org/TR/rdfa-syntax/ also doesn't seem to pass W3C's
>>> validator.
>>>
>>> So, now what to do? First, let's inform CC that this is an issue. I am
>>> sending them an email, but you should also send one to explain the problem
>>> and add to the feedback.
>>>
>>> Second, perhaps the best option may be to put the entire CC0 code in
>>> comments, and only put valid markup visible to the validator.
>>>
>>> Of course, you could just ignore the errors and proceed merrily, but that
>>> is not right. I think our feedback should help CC fix this or at least
>>> clarify what DOCTYPE we need to use in order to generate RDFa markup that
>>> passes the validator 100%. This needs to be even more easy and clear.
>>>
>>> Many thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This is the code:
>>> <p xmlns:dct="http://purl.org/dc/terms/" xmlns:vcard="
>>> http://www.w3.org/2001/vcard-rdf/3.0#">
>>>  <a rel="license" href="
>>> http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/"
>>> style="text-decoration:none;">
>>>   <img src="http://i.creativecommons.org/l/zero/1.0/88x31.png"
>>> border="0" alt="CC0" />
>>>  </a>
>>>  <br />
>>>  To the extent possible under law, <a href="
>>> http://onschallenge.wikispaces.com" rel="dct:publisher"><span
>>> property="dct:title">Jean-Claude Bradley</span></a>
>>>  has waived all copyright and related or neighboring rights to
>>>  <span property="dct:title">ONS Challenge</span>.
>>> This work is published from
>>> <span about="http://onschallenge.wikispaces.com"
>>> property="vcard:Country" datatype="dct:ISO3166" content="US">United
>>> States</span>.
>>> </p>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 7:15 AM, Mr. Puneet Kishor <punkish at eidesis.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Feb 24, 2010, at 6:56 PM, Jean-Claude Bradley wrote:
>>>
>>> We added this CC0 logo and license
>>> <a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/"
>>> style="text-decoration:none;">
>>>  <img src="http://i.creativecommons.org/l/zero/1.0/88x31.png" border="0"
>>> alt="CC0" />
>>>  </a>
>>>
>>> to the nav bar on the ONSC wiki
>>> http://onschallenge.wikispaces.com/
>>>
>>> and to the results of any solubility search:
>>>
>>> http://old.oru.edu/cccda/sl/solubility/allsolvents.php?solute=benzoic%2520acid
>>>
>>> Does this meet the requirements for machine readability of CC0 intent?
>>>
>>>
>>> Jean-Claude,
>>>
>>> Seems like you didn't copy the entire code fragment from the CC0 chooser.
>>> If you had, the above would have looked like so
>>>
>>> <p xmlns:dct="http://purl.org/dc/terms/" xmlns:vcard="
>>> http://www.w3.org/2001/vcard-rdf/3.0#"> <a rel="license" href="
>>> http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/"
>>> style="text-decoration:none;"> <img src="
>>> http://i.creativecommons.org/l/zero/1.0/88x31.png" border="0" alt="CC0"
>>> /> </a> <br /> To the extent possible under law, <a href="
>>> http://onschallenge.wikispaces.com/" rel="dct:publisher"><span
>>> property="dct:title">Jean-Claude</span></a> has waived all copyright and
>>> related or neighboring rights to <span property="dct:title">ONS
>>> Challenge</span>. </p>
>>>
>>> Note: I am using your name and your resource name only for illustration.
>>>
>>> The XML namespace declaration tells a parser that "the terms we are going
>>> to use here are as per their meaning established by the Dublin Core
>>> initiative." See
>>> http://dublincore.org/documents/usageguide/elements.shtml
>>>
>>> This ensures that when you say poh-tah-toh and I say poh-tay-toh, we
>>> don't call the whole thing off.
>>>
>>> Once the parser has established that we are talking DC-speak, which will
>>> henceforth (for the scope of this session) be referred to by the alias
>>> 'dct', it knows exactly what you mean by dct:publisher and dct:title, etc.
>>>
>>> Now, I understand that you may not want to pollute your lovely looking
>>> navbar with all the text that will show up. No problem -- just put the stuff
>>> you don't want humans to see as an html comment. A source code parser will
>>> still be able to crack the meaning out, and your web page will still look
>>> lovely. The point is, don't omit the code, as that is what adds the
>>> machine-readable intelligence to the license waiver.
>>>
>>> Hope that helps.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jean-Claude
>>>
>>>  ..
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>> Science Commons Fellow, http://sciencecommons.org/about/whoweare/kishor
>> Nelson Institute, UW-Madison http://www.nelson.wisc.edu
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>>
>>
>
>
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> E-Learning Coordinator for the College of Arts and Sciences
> Associate Professor of Chemistry
> Drexel University
>
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Jean-Claude Bradley, Ph. D.
E-Learning Coordinator for the College of Arts and Sciences
Associate Professor of Chemistry
Drexel University

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