[open-science] Open Science Microformats/Pattern languages? was Re: Launch of the Panton Principles for Open Data in Science + Is It Open Data?

Fri Feb 26 20:01:12 UTC 2010

On Feb 26, 2010, at 1:45 PM, Jean-Claude Bradley wrote:

> The folks at CC have been trying to help but it does not look like  
> we can make it work on Wikispaces - for now I'll just put in the CC0  
> license tag without the metadata

Don't give up so easily. What is the problem you are experiencing?  
Note that you have to have the correct DOCTYPE... below is the correct  
DOCTYPE to use

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML+RDFa 1.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/DTD/xhtml-rdfa-1.dtd 
">

Per Nathan's validation example, you might also want to use

<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang="en" lang="en">
  <head>
  <title>Title</title>
  <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="application/xhtml 
+xml;charset=utf-8" />

>
> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 9:53 AM, Jean-Claude Bradley <jeanclaude.bradley at gmail.com 
> > wrote:
> OK - I sent a comment about this problem to CC
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 8:45 AM, Mr. Puneet Kishor <punkish at eidesis.org 
> > wrote:
>
> On Feb 25, 2010, at 7:33 AM, Jean-Claude Bradley wrote:
>
> Puneet,
> Until the issue gets resolved will putting this allow for automatic  
> discovery of CC0 licensed content?
> <a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/ 
> " style="text-decoration:none;">
>    <img src="http://i.creativecommons.org/l/zero/1.0/88x31.png"  
> border="0" alt="CC0" />
>  </a>
>
>
>
> I am skating on thin ice here, but my understanding is that it won't  
> be enough. The 'rel' attribute indicates a relationship between your  
> document and the linked-to document, declaring the linked document  
> to be a "license." The other bits that you are omitting, actually  
> allow extracting terms such as 'publisher' and 'title' from your  
> declaration. Note that if one (a human being or a program) follows  
> the a href, they land up at the CC0 waiver page where they can get  
> an earful re. the CC0 waiver, but have no clue as to the entity that  
> actually used that waiver.
>
> I have sent a query to CC, and I suggest you do so as well.  
> Hopefully we will have this resolved rapidly. In the meantime, as I  
> said, just put the whole bit inside HTML comments, with only the CC0  
> badge showing up and going through the validator.
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 8:05 AM, Mr. Puneet Kishor <punkish at eidesis.org 
> > wrote:
> Jean-Claude,
>
>
>
> On Feb 25, 2010, at 6:26 AM, Jean-Claude Bradley wrote:
>
> Puneet
> I tried to use the entire code generated by
> http://creativecommons.org/choose/zero
>
> But it kept throwing an HTML error code:
> The HTML you have entered is not valid HTML: No declaration for  
> attribute content of element span
>
> Yes, that is a problem, and not just because it is not valid HTML.  
> It doesn't seem to be valid XHTML+RDFa as well, as per the validator  
> at http://validator.w3.org/check
>
> Interestingly, W3C's recommended RDFa syntax at http://www.w3.org/TR/rdfa-syntax/ 
>  also doesn't seem to pass W3C's validator.
>
> So, now what to do? First, let's inform CC that this is an issue. I  
> am sending them an email, but you should also send one to explain  
> the problem and add to the feedback.
>
> Second, perhaps the best option may be to put the entire CC0 code in  
> comments, and only put valid markup visible to the validator.
>
> Of course, you could just ignore the errors and proceed merrily, but  
> that is not right. I think our feedback should help CC fix this or  
> at least clarify what DOCTYPE we need to use in order to generate  
> RDFa markup that passes the validator 100%. This needs to be even  
> more easy and clear.
>
> Many thanks,
>
>
>
>
> This is the code:
> <p xmlns:dct="http://purl.org/dc/terms/" xmlns:vcard="http://www.w3.org/2001/vcard-rdf/3.0# 
> ">
>  <a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/ 
> " style="text-decoration:none;">
>   <img src="http://i.creativecommons.org/l/zero/1.0/88x31.png"  
> border="0" alt="CC0" />
>  </a>
>  <br />
>  To the extent possible under law, <a href="http://onschallenge.wikispaces.com 
> " rel="dct:publisher"><span property="dct:title">Jean-Claude  
> Bradley</span></a>
>  has waived all copyright and related or neighboring rights to
>  <span property="dct:title">ONS Challenge</span>.
> This work is published from
> <span about="http://onschallenge.wikispaces.com"  
> property="vcard:Country" datatype="dct:ISO3166" content="US">United  
> States</span>.
> </p>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 7:15 AM, Mr. Puneet Kishor <punkish at eidesis.org 
> > wrote:
>
> On Feb 24, 2010, at 6:56 PM, Jean-Claude Bradley wrote:
>
> We added this CC0 logo and license
> <a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/ 
> " style="text-decoration:none;">
>  <img src="http://i.creativecommons.org/l/zero/1.0/88x31.png"  
> border="0" alt="CC0" />
>  </a>
>
> to the nav bar on the ONSC wiki
> http://onschallenge.wikispaces.com/
>
> and to the results of any solubility search:
> http://old.oru.edu/cccda/sl/solubility/allsolvents.php?solute=benzoic%2520acid
>
> Does this meet the requirements for machine readability of CC0 intent?
>
>
> Jean-Claude,
>
> Seems like you didn't copy the entire code fragment from the CC0  
> chooser. If you had, the above would have looked like so
>
> <p xmlns:dct="http://purl.org/dc/terms/" xmlns:vcard="http://www.w3.org/2001/vcard-rdf/3.0# 
> "> <a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/ 
> " style="text-decoration:none;"> <img src="http://i.creativecommons.org/l/zero/1.0/88x31.png 
> " border="0" alt="CC0" /> </a> <br /> To the extent possible under  
> law, <a href="http://onschallenge.wikispaces.com/"  
> rel="dct:publisher"><span property="dct:title">Jean-Claude</span></ 
> a> has waived all copyright and related or neighboring rights to  
> <span property="dct:title">ONS Challenge</span>. </p>
>
> Note: I am using your name and your resource name only for  
> illustration.
>
> The XML namespace declaration tells a parser that "the terms we are  
> going to use here are as per their meaning established by the Dublin  
> Core initiative." See http://dublincore.org/documents/usageguide/elements.shtml
>
> This ensures that when you say poh-tah-toh and I say poh-tay-toh, we  
> don't call the whole thing off.
>
> Once the parser has established that we are talking DC-speak, which  
> will henceforth (for the scope of this session) be referred to by  
> the alias 'dct', it knows exactly what you mean by dct:publisher and  
> dct:title, etc.
>
> Now, I understand that you may not want to pollute your lovely  
> looking navbar with all the text that will show up. No problem --  
> just put the stuff you don't want humans to see as an html comment.  
> A source code parser will still be able to crack the meaning out,  
> and your web page will still look lovely. The point is, don't omit  
> the code, as that is what adds the machine-readable intelligence to  
> the license waiver.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
>
>
> Jean-Claude
>
> ..
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> Science Commons Fellow, http://sciencecommons.org/about/whoweare/ 
> kishor
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> E-Learning Coordinator for the College of Arts and Sciences
> Associate Professor of Chemistry
> Drexel University
>
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>
> -- 
> Jean-Claude Bradley, Ph. D.
> E-Learning Coordinator for the College of Arts and Sciences
> Associate Professor of Chemistry
> Drexel University
>
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> http://drexel-coas-elearning.blogspot.com
> http://drexel-coas-talks-mp3-podcast.blogspot.com/
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>

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