[open-science] Working Group Title & Science Sections on okfn.org

Sun Apr 24 13:29:53 UTC 2011

Hi All

There has been some discussion (forwarded below) regarding the working group
web pages and linking them together to make it easier for a newcomer to
navigate. This has hopefully been improved a little but the naming of our
working group is pretty inconsistent which could cause confusion, what title
would people prefer?

1) OKF Open Data in Science Working Group (original title, still used on the
group wiki http://wiki.okfn.org/wg/science)
2) OKF Open Science Working Group (used on the homepage
http://science.okfn.org/ and consistent with the mailing list address)
3) OKF Science Working Group (consistent with our URLs)

Thoughts and preferences most welcome, and then we can ensure everything is
consistent on the websites (URLs and email address will not change) so its
clear we're the same group!

There is also a suggestion from Robert (below) that we expand the scope of
the group or create another group to look at the open practice of science in
addition to data related issues. Comments welcome!

Jenny

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Robert Muetzelfeldt <r.muetzelfeldt at ed.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 6:00 PM
Subject: Re: Trying to sort out Science sections on okfn.org
To: Jenny Molloy <jcmcoppice12 at gmail.com>
Cc: rufus.pollock at okfn.org

Hi Jenny and Rufus,

Here is a slightly longer reply to your response to my comments.

I've now re-visited the various bits, and note the changes you've made,
Jenny.  It seems to me that it would still be helpful to have a proper
overall design in place.    Something like:

The Open Data in Science home page at (say) http://sciencedata.okfn.org (*
not* science.okfn.org) should be a proper home page, not a blog page with a
rather obscure 'About' link.   I.e. a short bit of introductory text, and a
set of links to:
- the blog postings (i.e. what you currently see on the home page);
- the wiki (saying what it's role is in the group);
- the BuddyPress site (saying what *it's* role is in the group - it's still
not clear to me what it is meant to be used for).

Each of these should have the same group title, suitable qualified (e.g.
'Open Data in Science wiki'), and an obvious link back to the group home
page.

Ideally, there should be a single login for the wiki and BuddyPress - it's
the same community.

Perhaps there could be a wiki page for discussing this?

Given that the interests of your group do relate specifically to data, what
are the prospects of either expanding the scope of the group to include all
aspects of open science, or (better) to establish another group which is
concerned with the facet that particularly interests me, namely the open
practice of science - what seems to be the main focus for the term 'open
research' (at least, according to wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_research).   Is that outside the remit of
the Open Knowledge Foundation?

Cheers,
Robert

On 02/04/11 02:14, Jenny Molloy wrote:

Thanks Robert!

Yes, I second Rufus, I've tried to fix the things I have access to, but site
admins are on okfn-help at lists.okfn.org so if you're happy to cc them in that
would be useful!

>OKF vs OKFN?
> Open Science vs Open Science Data (aka Open Data in Science) - *not the
same
> thing*, but the terms seem to be used interchangeably.
> And sometimes it's just 'Science' rather than 'Open Science'....

Yep, that is an issue, I use them interchangably all the time, depending on
how lazy I'm feeling. We should probably make a decision which one to stick
with. Open Data in Science is the official version.

> http://wiki.okfn.org/FrontPage
> Wiki Home
> But note that clicking on the Groups links takes you to
http://okfn.org/wg/,
> the Groups listing on the main web site, *not* the wiki, even though
Groups
> have pages on the wiki.

I can't fix this one

> http://wiki.okfn.org/wg/science
> Working Group on Open Data in Science
> NOT LINKED to http://science.okfn.org/!

There is a link to the homepage on the second line under 'Participate', but
I've added a more prominent one at the top of the page.

> http://wiki.okfn.org/OpenScience
> OpenScience - note: appears not to be a WG)
> Why is this separate from wg/science? - seem to use much of the same
> language.

I think this page was set up quite a while ago, it could probably be
deleted.

> http://science.okfn.org/
> Open Science Working Group
> Not linked to http://wiki.okfn.org/wg/science!
> Linked to http://okfn.org/groups/science/ (i.e. WordPress Science group),
> but only hidden in a blog posting.
> The home page for this group is just workin group reports, with no blurb
> about the group, links etc.

Links now added to the Wiki, BuddyPress group and major group projects, Wiki
also cross linked to the BuddyPress group. The About page (accessible from
the top toolbar) has now been updated, but needs a bit more work.

> http://okfn.org/groups/science/
> Wordpress site for Science (note: not 'Open Science' or 'Open Data in
> Science' group.
> Does not link to either main web page for the group, or the wiki page.

It now links to the main group page

> Clicking on 'FindPage' in the wiki takes you to an empty page.

Can't help there :)

Thanks for pointing all these put, the linking up of the websites was raised
in a WG meeting last December, but I hadn't got round to looking at them
again so thanks for giving me the impetus!

Jenny

On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 4:03 PM, Rufus Pollock <rufus.pollock at okfn.org>
 wrote:

> Would you mind me cc'ing a public list on this Robert (e.g.
> okfn-help). The points you raise are excellent and it would be good to
> have this thread available to others :)
>
> Rufus
>
> On 30 March 2011 16:18, Robert Muetzelfeldt <r.muetzelfeldt at ed.ac.uk>
> wrote:
> > Hi Jenny,
> >
> > I'm still to get back to you with an idea for a project.
> >
> > As I mentioned before, I found it confusing to know how the various
> sections
> > relating to science relate to each other on the okfn.org web site.  I've
> now
> > spent some time going around the site, and made the following very rough
> > notes on my experience - more bullet points than anything else, but if I
> > don't send them now they probably won't get sent.
> >
> > As you can see, it is a bit of a mess (at least, for this outsider...),
> and
> > I think it would be a really good idea if someone could sit down and try
> to
> > rationalise it all.   Maybe this is already happening, but if not, I
> think
> > it should.
> >
> > Part of the problem is simply a lack of linking between different parts -
> I
> > found myself going back the next day and not being able to find a bit of
> the
> > site that I had looked at the previous day!   It would certainly help if
> > there were more linking and nav sections, but I think it needs more than
> > that - for each group, some sort of clear statement as to the roles of
> the
> > wiki, the main web site, and the WordPress group, and how they relate to
> > each other.
> >
> > I have only looked at the Science grouping, but I guess the same issues
> > might apply in other areas.
> >
> > I'm just going to paste in my notes as they are.   If they are too terse,
> > get back to me and I'll expand.
> >
> > I'm cc'ing this to Rufus, for the only reason that he helped me get
> > registered with WordPress.
> >
> > Hope this is of some help.  I realise that it may be difficult to step
> back,
> > take the wider view, and invest time in sorting things out when this is
> > essentially (completely?) a volunteer effort, but I don't think it would
> > take much to make it a lot better.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Robert
> >
> > OKF vs OKFN?
> >
> > Open Science vs Open Science Data (aka Open Data in Science) - *not the
> same
> > thing*, but the terms seem to be used interchangeably.
> > And sometimes it's just 'Science' rather than 'Open Science'....I'm not
> sending it to the whole
> >
> > http://wiki.okfn.org/FrontPage
> > Wiki Home
> > But note that clicking on the Groups links takes you to
> http://okfn.org/wg/,
> > the Groups listing on the main web site, *not* the wiki, even though
> Groups
> > have pages on the wiki.
> >
> > http://wiki.okfn.org/wg/science
> > Working Group on Open Data in Science
> > NOT LINKED to http://science.okfn.org/!
> >
> > http://wiki.okfn.org/OpenScience
> > OpenScience - note: appears not to be a WG)
> > Why is this separate from wg/science? - seem to use much of the same
> > language.
> >
> > http://science.okfn.org/
> > Open Science Working Group
> > Not linked to http://wiki.okfn.org/wg/science!
> > Linked to http://okfn.org/groups/science/ (i.e. WordPress Science
> group),
> > but only hidden in a blog posting.
> > The home page for this group is just workin group reports, with no blurb
> > about the group, links etc.
> >
> > http://okfn.org/groups/science/
> > Wordpress site for Science (note: not 'Open Science' or 'Open Data in
> > Science' group.
> > Does not link to either main web page for the group, or the wiki page.
> >
> >
> > Clicking on 'FindPage' in the wiki takes you to an empty page.
> >
> >
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