[open-science] Hargreaves Report Response

[Jenny Molloy]

Hi All

Diane kindly drafted a response to the Hargreaves Report which Peter fleshed
out at Science Online London (Peter - I made your text third person, hope
that's OK!)
http://okfnpad.org/sciencewg-hargreaves

Does anyone else have any experiences they would like to share?
Particularly, your own experiences of trying to use data/text mining in your
research and barriers due to copyright, along with any points that address
Cameron's request for evidence below.

From:  <cameron.neylon at stfc.ac.uk>
Date: Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 9:20 AM
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I've been approached to see if we can pull some more concrete evidence
together to bolster the case. In particular we need any evidence of
_specific_ damage. Things not done that could be done (ideally even under an
NC regime) and things that _very clearly would_ happen if the proposed rules
go through. Also any economic modelling on the benefits under either an NC
or fully open regime would be very useful. Comments from highly successful
overseas researchers or professionals who would shift their operation to the
UK if such a system were brought in would also be useful.
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If any working group members have an objection to the position we are taking
or take issue with some of the points and would like to encourage
discussion, then do send your views to the list!

Many thanks

Jenny

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Diane Cabell <diane at cabell.us>
Date: Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 8:16 AM
Subject: Fwd: Re: [open-science] Hargreaves Report
To: Jenny Molloy <jenny.molloy at okfn.org>


 Jenny-
Odd-there's no bounce notice when I send to the open-science list from the
wrong email address.  Anyhoo--here's my earlier response.  I can't join you
on the Pad tonight but urge you to throw this in if it's acceptable to the
rest of you.
dc

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Yes, please!
Here's a proposed draft, but only to get things rolling along.  Please make
it reflect your opinions.
dc

----Draft
Open Knowledge Foundation['s Open Science working group] strongly supports
the Government response to the Hargreaves Review of Intellectual Property
and Growth and encourages follow through on it's many excellent proposals.
As scientists and scholars, we are both creators and users of intellectual
property.  Our creations, however, only expand in value when they are shared
with other researchers.  Our data becomes exponentially more useful when
combined with the data of others.  It is this benefit to science that is the
core value which copyright law is intended to protect but which currently
delays effective re-use of research results in the current digital
environment.  We encourage adaptation of the law to benefit the progress of
science and we feel that the ability to freely use research data will
benefit science as well as creators of scientific work product.

In particular, the [OKF] Open Science group strongly urges implementation of
Recommendation 5 to allow specific exceptions in copyright law for data and
text mining.  We agree with the Government's opinion that regard it as
inappropriate "for certain activities of public benefit such as medical
research obtained through text mining to be in effect subject to veto by the
owners of copyrights in the reports of such research, where access to the
reports was obtained lawfully."  Nor are we persuaded that restricting such
transformative use is necessary or in the UK’s overall scientific, much less
economic interests.

[Insert quote from PMR or OKF explaining why data mining helps researchers,
e.g., negative cost, burden of permissioning, metrics/examples of data
mining uses in research]

Government's response to Hargreaves report:
http://www.bis.gov.uk/assets/biscore/innovation/docs/g/11-1199-government-response-to-hargreaves-review
Hargreaves report: http://www.ipo.gov.uk/ipreview.htm

[insert OKF description and contact information]

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On 8/30/11 8:44 AM, Peter Murray-Rust wrote:

Are we preparing a response to the (UK) Hargreaves report [that copyright
should not apply to text- and data-mining in science]? Time is short but I
think it would be very valuable. I have been active in both areas and have
run up against gatekeepers.

-- 
Peter Murray-Rust
Reader in Molecular Informatics
Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry
University of Cambridge
CB2 1EW, UK
+44-1223-763069


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