[open-science] [Open-access] Nature Scientific Data platform and doing science with open data

Fri Apr 5 16:15:44 UTC 2013

Yes, any discussion of this should definitely mention the solutions which
are already in place like Figshare (and even OKFN's own CKAN/TheDataHub).
 Highlighting the growing recognition of the importance of data publishing
would be a useful blog post, but it would be better to survey the landscape
than focus on Nature.

There's also something a little perverse about their idea that to be
"citable" you need to be blessed by a big publishing house. DOIs and even
plain old garden variety URIs are eminently citable.  Of course, what they
mean is "citable in a way that will grant you ivory tower kudos," which
ties back in to the whole altmetrics discussion.

Tom

On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Mr. Puneet Kishor <punk.kish at gmail.com>wrote:

> I am with Ross.
>
> Why wouldn't I just put my data in figshare or Dryad and be done with it?
> Creating these "Data Descriptors" seems like inventing a new kind of
> publication that wasn't necessarily needed. And the differential pricing
> for different licenses is just goofy signifying god knows what -- are
> different licenses worth different amounts? This sends just the wrong kind
> of message.
>
>
> On Apr 5, 2013, at 7:27 AM, Ross Mounce <ross.mounce at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > It's not all great news...
> >
> > They're doing their usual NPG quirk of charging more if the
> > author chooses to publish under CC BY rather than CC BY-NC (they're
> > offering a 'choice' of licences).
> > see http://www.nature.com/scientificdata/open-access/
> >
> > £585 for more restrictive licencing & £650 for CC BY.
> > This will of course help authors to choose the cheaper more restrictive
> > option :(
> >
> > I've blogged about this before:
> > http://rossmounce.co.uk/2012/11/07/gold-oa-pricewatch/
> >
> > There's also no absolute guarantee the data will be open data as per
> > http://opendefinition.org/ either. The data will go to appropriate
> > community databases in some instances, and some of these may not be open.
> >
> >
> > So, yes it's good that Nature care about data, and may offer some of it
> as
> > open data - but unfortunately I think it's quite likely that it won't all
> > be open, and there are better more open, less expensive data journals out
> > there.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Ross
> >
> >
> >
> > On 5 April 2013 15:06, Jonathan Gray <jonathan.gray at okfn.org> wrote:
> >
> >> This is great news. Perhaps we should put something about this on the
> main
> >> OKF blog - in particular noting how we hope this will be explicitly
> >> encouraging researchers to publish data openly, as per the Panton
> >> Principles?
> >>
> >>
> >> On 5 April 2013 14:36, Jenny Molloy <jenny.molloy at okfn.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi All
> >>>
> >>> Many of you will have seen this recent press release, but for those who
> >>> haven't:
> >>> http://www.nature.com/press_releases/scientificdata.html
> >>>
> >>> This ties in with a recent blog post on doing science with open data,
> >>> from Tom Heath at the Open Data Institute, looking at the questions
> >>> * What are the implications of 'doing science' with open data?
> >>> * What changes are required in how we approach scientific methods and
> >>> findings based on open data?
> >>> http://www.theodi.org/blog/on-data-science-with-open-data
> >>>
> >>> Your thoughts and comments welcome!
> >>>
> >>> Jenny
> >>>
> >>> NPG to launch Scientific Data to help scientists publish and reuse
> >>> research data
> >>>
> >>> Nature Publishing Group (NPG) today is pleased to announce the Spring
> >>> 2014 launch of Scientific Data. Open for submissions this autumn,
> Scientific
> >>> Data is a new open-access, online-only platform for the publication of
> >>> descriptions of scientifically valuable datasets. Scientific Data will
> >>> initially focus on experimental datasets from the life, biomedical and
> >>> environmental science communities with future plans to expand to other
> >>> fields in the natural sciences.
> >>>
> >>> Scientific Data will introduce and publish a new type of content called
> >>> Data Descriptors: peer-reviewed, scientific publications that provide
> >>> detailed descriptions of experimental and observational datasets. Data
> >>> Descriptors will be a combination of traditional scientific publication
> >>> content and structured information curated in-house, and are designed
> to
> >>> maximize reuse and enable searching, linking and data mining. Data
> >>> Descriptors may be associated with articles from a broad range of
> journals.
> >>>
> >>> "Over recent years researchers, funders and learned societies alike
> have
> >>> been calling for new ways to make scientific research, and research
> data,
> >>> more available, reusable and reproducible," says Jason Wilde, Nature
> >>> Publishing Group Business Development Director. "Scientific Data's
> >>> central mission is to help foster the sharing and re-use of the data
> >>> underpinning scientific research."
> >>>
> >>> "Scientific Data will allow for the formal peer-review, publication and
> >>> citation of data sets and will provide a real opportunity to promote
> open
> >>> data and promote the re-use of data held by NERC and other research
> >>> organisations," says Mark Thorley, Head of Science Information at the
> >>> Natural Environment Research Council and Chair of the Research
> Councils UK
> >>> Research Outputs Network.
> >>>
> >>> Scientific Data gives credit through a citable publication, for
> >>> depositing and sharing research data. Data Description will be
> accessible
> >>> and searchable via the Scientific Data online data platform, under a
> >>> Creative Commons license. The actual data files will be stored in one
> or
> >>> more public, community-recognized systems. The full release of Data
> >>> Description and associated data will be verified as part of the
> peer-review
> >>> process. Where a community recognized repository does not exist,
> Scientific
> >>> Data supports the deposit of the data into a more general repository
> >>> such as Dryad and Figshare. All accepted data descriptors will be
> published
> >>> on payment of an article-processing charge (APC) that will also cover
> the
> >>> Data Description curation process.
> >>>
> >>> Susanna-Assunta Sansone, Associate Director and Principal Investigator
> at
> >>> the University of Oxford e-Research Centre, has worked with the NPG
> team
> >>> for the past months to define the Data Description’s concept; she has
> now
> >>> been appointed Honorary Academic Editor of Scientific Data. She will
> >>> work closely with the Advisory Panel which is comprised of senior
> >>> scientists, data repository representatives, bio-curators, librarians,
> and
> >>> funders who guide the policies, standards, and editorial scope.
> >>>
> >>> "The ongoing conversation around data curation, sharing and publication
> >>> has become increasingly exciting as various organisations have moved to
> >>> encourage and in some cases support the sharing and reuse of data in
> >>> context," says Honorary Academic Editor Sansone. "To inform the
> internal
> >>> development of Scientific Data, I will continue to stay abreast of the
> >>> fast-paced fields of data management and scholarly communication."
> >>>
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