[open-science] [Open-access] OKF at Open Repositories 2014

Fri Dec 6 17:21:20 UTC 2013

On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 2:43 PM, Laurent Romary <laurent.romary at inria.fr>wrote:

> For the record, let me defend the “French” model (since there seems to be
> a Liege one):
> - central repository
>

Central to France? If so I approve.

> to minimise costs and improve visibility (you’ve all hear of HAL, can you
> name the on at the University of Stirling?)
>

No - it said it was the first one in Scotland. But I wasn't responsible for
it and YES, I think the idea of every university thinking up a trendy name
is stupid

> - freedom for institution to define their deposit policy (but I am proud
> of the Inria mandate)
>

Good.

> - availability of all content for data mining (OK, you’ll see no CC on the
> current version, but the new (codename V3) version should go CC-BY (of
> course; I just wonder why one would ask…)
>

Because some librarians (certainly in UK) see it as part of their job to
emphasize what you can't do... Many deliberately (e.g. Bath) add CC-NC

OK. Peter, our PhD repository (tel.archives-ouvertes.fr/) is full of
> boring stuff in French, but if you’re interested, do index!
>

My program AMI does not understand the word "boring". She has the emotional
apparatus of a FORTRAN compiler so she will have a look. At present we
index on Species and they should be the same, so this is a great opportunity

>
> To answer the current argument on repositories. The most important thing
> for me is to ensure that we have a public and sustainable research
> infrastructure (all words are important).
>

Agreed. But that has to include  people like the current members of the
discussion, not just research administrators.

I now see colleagues rushing to ResearchGate or Acdemia just because they
> receive nice messages tickling their ego
>

Agreed. I am worried about these commercial startups

> and they don’t even notice that their online papers in HAL are downloaded
> 50 times more. OK, it’s maybe our fault that we do not provide adequate
> statistics and that we do not consider researchers’ ego enough.
>

Firstly people outside the inward-looking repo circle need to be made
welcome. That's not just me, it's Mike Taylor, it's the OAButton
undergraduate students, it's Kitware, it's the #scholarlypoor. It's
Wikipedia and Mozilla. Repositories should be actively seeking the outside
world.

Secondly there has to be investment of effort in getting people using this
in a modern way. Maybe this happens for HAL, but it certainly doesn't in
UK. Maybe I can help make it happen. Who knows?

-- 
Peter Murray-Rust
Reader in Molecular Informatics
Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry
University of Cambridge
CB2 1EW, UK
+44-1223-763069
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