[open-science] [Open-access] Elsevier: some facts, by Tim Gowers

Fri May 2 09:52:02 UTC 2014

On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 10:15 AM, Fabiana Kubke <mf.kubke at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am a bit late to the discussion - but if anyone is interested there is
> interesting data on library expenditures in New Zealand and Australia here
> http://statistics.caul.edu.au/inst_data.php
>

You're not late... :-) this is very welcome.

> If I read hte data correctly, New Zealand spends about 50 million p.a. (NZ
> Dollars) in serial subscriptions. This does not include the copyright
> licencing fees that allow the reuse for education (as far as I understand).
>

Can you expand on the re-use fees? This is an additional cost to
subscriptions. Re-use payments are at least as problematic as
subscriptions. But even harder to get a handle on. (?more FOIs?)

>
> -F
>
>
> On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 9:35 AM, Matthew Brett <matthew.brett at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Mr. Puneet Kishor <punk.kish at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >> On Apr 30, 2014, at 1:59 PM, Bjoern Brembs <b.brembs at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Maybe I can understand what this is all about, if someone can explain
>> to me what giving Elsevier a rap on the knuckles should actually accomplish
>> in the grand scheme of things?
>> >
>> > I didn't mean to derail the conversation nor make it focus (or not) on
>> a specific publisher. My intent was to determine if the fight is to lower
>> the profits for the publishers or to make them do what they promised and
>> what the researchers expect them to do?
>> >
>> > Personally, I am more interested in the latter than in the merits or
>> demerits of unbridled capitalism, but I understand different strokes move
>> different folks.
>>
>> It's a shame to couch it in terms of 'capitalism', pulls triggers for
>> distracting explosions.
>>
>> I guess we most of us agree that, if Elsevier is using an effective
>> monopoly to take large amounts of money from academia for a service
>> that could be much cheaper, then that's worth talking about.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Matthew
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