[open-science] Some ideas what is missing in open science from OpenCon 2014

Rayna rayna.st at gmail.com
Mon Nov 24 21:58:47 UTC 2014

Thanks for these suggestions, indeed.

And yes, I was referring to the Open Data Index as an example of what we
could do at the national level. This is already complex enough to figure
out so I would give it a try and see how it works (or not :) ) before
attempting to structure anything around a more local investigation and

I suggest we fork this discussion so as to not hijack Mitar's thread :)

2014-11-23 19:05 GMT+01:00 Jenny Molloy <jcmcoppice12 at gmail.com>:

> Thanks Shauna, great suggestion - is anyone on the list from COS and could
> comment if these activities might fit with their work?
> In terms of the census, Mitar's presentation focused on national
> government policies, and I assume Rayna was also commenting on this level.
> The Open Data Index is national and there is an Open Data Census which is
> city level, so I guess the equivalent for science would be institutions.
> This would also be very interesting, but lots more work!
> Do link us to your work on the journal questions though if possibke, as
> I'm sure that will be of interest either way.
> Jenny
> On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 3:40 PM, Shauna Gordon-McKeon <shaunagm at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> It's worth asking the Center for Open Science about hosting some of these
>> projects.  As for the census, who would be being polled?  People?
>> Institutions?  Journals?  Or countries, like in the example?  I am
>> potentially interested in this project, and have done some work towards
>> defining questions at the journal level.
>> On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Rayna <rayna.st at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hey everyone,
>>> Thanks for the insights :)
>>> I've been thinking for sometime now about a science.census.okfn.org
>>> It will quite possibly be structured in a way that differs from the
>>> current census but the idea is there.
>>> The question is what to include: data yes, publications yes, higher ed
>>> education materials perhaps, protocols yes, anything else?
>>> I would suggest we spend the next weeks discussing this over email and
>>> through confcalls.
>>> Who's in? :)
>>> Rayna
>>>  Le 23 nov. 2014 13:28, "Jenny Molloy" <jcmcoppice12 at gmail.com> a écrit
>>> :
>>> Hi Mitar
>>>> Fantastic! I absolutely agree on all of these points and would like to
>>>> invite you and others on the mailing list to help make them happen.
>>>> *Blog aggregation*
>>>> Svetlana also raised the point about the blog aggregator and we looked
>>>> into options, SubjectSeeker seemed favourable, but there was also a
>>>> question about whether we could enact the same functionality in WordPress
>>>> as this is already set up on Open Knowledge servers.
>>>> Status: Need a sandbox to play with the technology. Mike Chelen offered
>>>> to assist with this and I will put him and Svetlana in contact again - who
>>>> else would be interested in playing with solutions for an open science
>>>> 'planet'?
>>>> Make yourself known on the forum:
>>>> http://discuss.okfn.org/t/planet-open-science/94
>>>> *Calendar*
>>>> I've been talking to James Baster at Open Tech Calendar, which seems to
>>>> have exactly the right functionality (community created content, anyone can
>>>> create and edit events, it can pull in from various sites, everything can
>>>> be output as open data). Now we *could* go right ahead and set this up for
>>>> open science, the open source code is here:
>>>> http://ican.openacalendar.org/download.html
>>>> This would however involve having somewhere to host it and a maintainer
>>>> as sysadmin capacity at Open Knowledge is unfortunately finite! James
>>>> offers a hosted version, but we only have a £150 annual working group
>>>> budget which doesn't get us very far so basically we're looking for:
>>>> a) An organisation or group of individuals who have some server space
>>>> and sysadmin capacity to host and maintain this service.
>>>> b) An organisation or group of individuals who see it as a valuable
>>>> service for the community and would be willing to chip in on the hosted
>>>> version.
>>>> There have been discussions about how it might integrate with an *Open
>>>> Knowledge Directory*, this project has had two hangouts to discuss so
>>>> far and will continue to meet and works towards a directory for people
>>>> interested in open knowledge (inc. open science) worldwide. You'd all be
>>>> welcome to join this discussion.
>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/15_qPe-F6HErzobh36wZgG-4aQec6mkbuykLEdRzPS9E/edit?usp=sharing
>>>> I think it is important as there are 700 of us here on the mailing list
>>>> and most of us have little idea who everyone is and what country they're in.
>>>> *Open Access/Science Census*
>>>> This was discussed at OKFest and a wiki page was created, but so far no
>>>> one has indicated an interest in taking this forward:
>>>> http://wiki.okfn.org/Open_@ccess/Open_Access_Census
>>>> The Open Data Index is still ongoing this year, but once that has died
>>>> down I am happy to talk to the maintainers at Open Knowledge and look into
>>>> repurposing the system (which already has contributions, reviewing,
>>>> visualisations etc set up at http://global.census.okfn.org/).
>>>> You had some great questions already in your presentation.
>>>> OECD have been doing a survey of their member countries about OA and
>>>> open science policies and are likely to release this very soon (Giulia Ajmone
>>>> Marsan is the main contact). We could likely include this information as a
>>>> starting point.
>>>> Thanks so much for making all of these points at OpenCon and I hope
>>>> from now into the New Year we can really take some positive steps to
>>>> filling these gaps in the open access and open science community. This is
>>>> not an Open Knowledge organisation specific set of projects, we should be
>>>> aiming to bring everyone together and not fragment or duplicate effort so
>>>> if you manage an open science community and are already considering these
>>>> tools or already maintain a system that could scale then do please weigh in
>>>> on the discussion!
>>>> Excited to see where we can take this - I'd love to see at a glance
>>>> what open science events are happening in South America next month and who
>>>> is blogging about reproducibility and open data this week. It's do-able now
>>>> but not in a way that is either simple or conducive to sharing and
>>>> community cohesion - we can definitely do better!
>>>> Jenny
>>>> On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Mitar <mmitar at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi!
>>>>> I presented few ideas what is missing in open science and open access
>>>>> community at OpenCon 2014:
>>>>> http://mitar.tnode.com/post/103272799066/presenting-some-ideas-of-what-is-missing-in-open
>>>>> Mitar
>>>>> --
>>>>> http://mitar.tnode.com/
>>>>> https://twitter.com/mitar_m
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