[open-science] open-science Digest, Vol 1039, Issue 1

Fri Dec 1 12:41:46 UTC 2017

Hi Peter,

The conferences are being hosted on the DSpace repository, right? If so, is
there a link to a hosted conference series that you can send us?

Hope you are well, waving from North Carolina,
Chris

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> The Harvard Office for Scholarly Communication just launched a program to
> distribute the proceedings of Harvard-hosted conferences through the
> Harvard open-access repository. There is no charge for this service. The
> program is so new that we haven't even posted an FAQ about it, though we're
> working on one. Meantime, if anyone wants to learn more details, please
> just drop me a line.
>
>      Best,
>      Peter
>
> Peter Suber
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> On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 1:44 PM, Christopher Erdmann <
> christopher_erdmann at ncsu.edu> wrote:
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> > Thomas, I can sympathize with you. I have repeatedly fielded this
> question
> > over the years from researchers hoping to reduce the cost of publishing
> > conference proceedings, trying to find a faster OA option with more
> dynamic
> > functionality. I've often shown researchers OCS (
> > https://pkpservices.sfu.ca/content/conference-hosting) but they tend to
> > be disinterested, sometimes based on the functionality or whether it is
> > indexed in the service they used often. I know in one case, a few years
> > ago, a group of researchers was quoted roughly $10K to produce a
> conference
> > proceedings OA, including a number of services in the deal. This was a
> > trusted, non-profit publisher in the community, and the researchers were
> > hoping to avoid using them based on some of the factors I listed above.
> In
> > some cases, some of the researchers I've worked with have been fine with
> > using Zenodo to publish their conference material in a community, but
> they
> > seem to be more concerned about archiving their work, and also citing it.
> >
> > There are a number of options out there, from OCS, Pensoft Arpha to IOP,
> > Springer. Truthfully, it would be a great project to gather information
> on
> > OA conference publication solutions, costs, indexing, it is an area that
> is
> > maybe not given enough attention. It might also be another opportunity to
> > engage with the research community on OA.
> >
> > - Chris
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 7:00 AM, <open-science-request at lists.okfn.org>
> > wrote:
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> >>    1. Re: Going open access - conference proceedings (Ingo Keck)
> >>
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> >> Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2017 14:46:41 +0100
> >> From: Ingo Keck <ingokeck at ingokeck.de>
> >> To: open-science at lists.okfn.org
> >> Subject: Re: [open-science] Going open access - conference proceedings
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> >> Thomas Kluyver <takowl at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> [...]
> >> > I've been asked to help organise a small engineering conference next
> >> > September.
> >>
> >> Small like 20 people workshop? Or more like 200 people kind of small?
> >>
> >> [...]
> >> > We floated the idea of open access at this year's conference, but
> there
> >> > were reservations about the recognition of such papers by
> universities,
> >> > grant agencies, etc. Engineering seems to use conference publications
> >> as a
> >> > major part of evaluating research, whereas the academic fields I'm
> more
> >> > familiar with focus on journal papers. If people don't get a well
> >> respected
> >> > publication out of it, they may not be able to justify coming to the
> >> > conference, and it's so small already that it can't survive many
> people
> >> > dropping out.
> >>
> >> Let me tell you my experience as academic in computer science (CS) in
> >> Spain and Germany:
> >>
> >> The most important venues for CS are conferences. Typically you need to
> >> submit a full paper up to 8 pages and, unlike as with journals, you only
> >> get one shot in the peer review process, because there is no time for a
> >> long review process: Either it is accepted with small changes or it is
> >> rejected straight away, and the field moves to fast so that the next
> time
> >> the conference comes around your article is probably outdated.
> >> Conference-hopping is also difficult with conferences because the
> >> submission window is small and you are not supposed to submit the same
> work
> >> at the same time to different venues.
> >>
> >> Acceptance rates are somewhere between 10%-50% and the two most common
> >> proceedings-publishers in my experience (don?t know about your
> engineers)
> >> are IEEE and Springer with Lecture Notes in Computer Science (LNCS).
> LNCS
> >> is seen as books and does not have an impact factor (IF).
> >>
> >> Typically publishers ask you to submit print-ready PDF for the single
> >> articles _and_ the proceeding and there is not really any service apart
> >> from providing LaTeX Templates and sometimes free access to a conference
> >> review system.
> >>
> >> The recent movement to evaluate scientists based on their impact factor
> >> has been particularly harsh for computer scientists, removing the value
> of
> >> their past publications and forcing them to publish in other fields,
> many
> >> flogging towards medicine with their high IF journals.
> >>
> >> Regarding Open Access, all that has been accomplished regarding the
> green
> >> way OA mostly ignored the conference proceedings. For example the LNCS
> >> series has an ISSN, but is seen as books by Springer. Publishers say the
> >> articles are book chapters and do not allow self-publication of the
> >> preprints or prefer to not answer the question at all and keep us
> authors
> >> in a limbo of insecurity.
> >>
> >> Personally, most people I was working with had access to Springer, but
> >> IEEE always meant going hunting for the pdf somewhere, either directly
> with
> >> the authors or via colleagues that had a private membership at IEEE.
> >>
> >> > Has anyone dealt with a similar situation before? Are there open
> access
> >> > publishers that are well respected in the engineering world?
> >>
> >> Apart from maybe IEEE with its focus on America (north+south), well
> >> respected seems to be a relict from the past in my experience. Famous CS
> >> conferences like the NIPS now publish open access themselves (
> >> https://papers.nips.cc).
> >>
> >> > Also, can anyone give me an idea of how much more open access
> >> proceedings
> >> > are likely to cost? I've never approached publishing from this angle
> >> > before. I'm familiar with APCs over 1000 for single articles - is it
> >> simply
> >> > multiplied by the number of papers in the proceedings?
> >>
> >> I recently started my own commercial Open Science publisher (
> >> https://moringa.pub/) after the experience I had at OK IRL working with
> >> established academic publishers.
> >>
> >> We did not have proceedings in mind when we started, but were recently
> >> contacted by a local university inquiring about it. So I just happened
> to
> >> write an offer to that university a few weeks ago, providing everything
> >> like the review system, supporting the review process and online OA
> >> publishing. I would be happy to make you an offer as well if you send me
> >> more details what you need via email. ;-)
> >>
> >>
> >> From publisher side I can tell you that you will not find APC?s below ca
> >> 100 EUR per article because that is, including taxes, roughly the bare
> cost
> >> of publishing an article. If someone charges less they get money or
> >> resources somewhere else. Springer for example takes 38 EUR + tax per
> page
> >> for full OA (golden way), so that would be around 280 EUR incl. tax for
> an
> >> 6 pages article (http://www.springer.com/de/it
> >> -informatik/lncs/open-access-publishing-in-computer-proceedings).
> >>
> >> If you need a famous publisher?s name you can also go the way to just
> >> publish the complete book with that OA publisher and put the articles
> >> themselves into the OA repository of your university or any other
> >> trustworthy organisation. OA books usually start around 5kEUR, de
> Gruyter
> >> for example takes 10kEUR (https://www.degruyter.com/page/1436). Maybe
> >> your university already has contracts established with publishers, it
> may
> >> be worth asking there as well. Maybe they even publish themselves (many
> >> university libraries do)!
> >>
> >> Whatever you do, stay clean of non-open licenses like cc-by-nc-nd!
> >>
> >> We use cc-by-sa to encourage re-use under the same free conditions,
> other
> >> prefer cc-by.
> >>
> >>
> >> Anyway, your situation got me thinking about my experiences with
> >> workshops/conferences. Usually people were more interested in the
> quality
> >> of the networking and the presentations than the publisher of the
> >> proceedings. Maybe you could sweeten the deal to publish OA with
> inviting
> >> some famous names for keynotes, trying to ?relight the interest? in the
> >> conference? Just an idea, though...
> >>
> >> Hth, Ingo.
> >>
> >>
> >>
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