[open-science] OKFN Open Science Mailing List will close on 31 Jan 2020 - where to next?

Alexandre Hannud Abdo abdo at member.fsf.org
Mon Nov 18 07:00:15 UTC 2019

Ni! Hi Jenny,

Thanks for the framing and explanations. I have also been contacted
regarding the "cienciaaberta" mailing list, have also requested the
archives, and am about to start a similar discussion over there. Your
message definitely helps.

I would like to call attention to one point, though. I strongly disagree
with OKF's opinion that Mailman is incompatible with the GDPR. A simple
search for those terms (mailman gdpr) yields discussions that, as I
understand, provide no indication of such incompatibility and instead
reveal misinterpretations of the regulation. Mailman is a very widely used
Free Software project, and by choosing to shift blame onto Mailman in such
a way, the OKF is unfortunately incurring in spreading FUD <
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty_and_doubt> about Free
Software. Given what OKF intends to represent, this appears careless and
even irresponsible, as I wrote them in my reply.

Lack of resources is a valid and sufficient reason to terminate the lists.
I am thankful that OKF has supported our communities for this many years. I
also see absolutely no need or good reason to blame the software, let alone
to state that "it can't be used anymore", which, again, is untrue from all
I can gather.


On Sun, Nov 17, 2019 at 5:41 PM Jenny Molloy <jcmcoppice12 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear All
> Open Knowledge Foundation will be closing down their mailman lists by
> January 31st, 2020 (I copy below the reasons for the decision for those who
> are interested, I was emailed along with a couple of others because we're
> "list owners" on mailman). Instead they will focus on offering a Discourse
> forum (https://discuss.okfn.org) which already has an open science
> category: https://discuss.okfn.org/c/working-groups/open-science
> There are two things for members of this list to think about:
> 1 - where are the important conversations on open science happening now?
> What new lists should we join as this one closes and are there gaps that
> need to be filled?
> 2 - where to preserve the list archives? Open Knowledge Foundation do not
> plan to do so publicly and there is value (I think) in preserving
> conversations dating back 12 years to a time when open science was at a
> completely different level of development. If anyone has ideas or could
> help with archiving that would be great - I have asked for a copy to be
> kept but I don't know in what form it will arrive!
> As a very early member of this list I think it played an important role in
> developing an open science community that has spun into many active and
> exciting communities around the world. Moving on is not a bad thing and
> there are so many more communication channels to connect on open science
> topics than back in 2008 - I'd love to hear your recommendations!
> Jenny
> The decision has come about for three reasons:
>    1. Managing the mailing lists and keeping the infrastructure up to
>    date represents an effort in terms of resources and administration time
>    that Open Knowledge Foundation is unable to meet going forward.
>    2. GDPR: EU legislation now requires us to have an active and current
>    knowledge of the data held on our websites, as well as the consent of the
>    subscribers regarding the use of their personal data, to ensure GDPR
>    compliance. Unfortunately, Mailman mailing lists don’t comply with this
>    Directive, which means we can’t use this tool any more.
>    3. We are currently implementing a new strategy within Open Knowledge
>    Foundation which will focus the organisation on several key themes, namely
>    Education, Health and Work. We want to keep fostering conversations but let
>    groups choose what the best platform is for that.
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