[Openglam_members] Finnish Wartime Archive licensing

Thu May 2 11:58:33 UTC 2013

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2013/5/2 Sam Leon <sam.leon at okfn.org>

> Excellent riposte Maarten!
>
> I wonder whether we should do a blog post on "myths" around open licensing
> for GLAMs which would include the idea that it makes works more likely to
> be used in nasty political contexts...
>
> Is there something like that already?
>
> S
>
>
> On 2 May 2013 12:54, Maarten Brinkerink <mbrinkerink at beeldengeluid.nl>wrote:
>
>> Maybe also mention that - at least this is the case in NL - that acts of
>> discrimination, racism etc. are illegal, regardless of copyright statements
>> and terms of use.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Maarten
>>
>> Op 2 mei 2013, om 13:50 heeft Marttila Sanna-Maria <
>> sanna.marttila at aalto.fi> het volgende geschreven:
>>
>>
>>  Hey,
>>
>>  Maarten, you are right! I just wrote to them a long email :-) and made
>> a reference to Wikipedia and some other organizations using or will be
>> using CC license in Finland. (I don't know if I have mentioned this before,
>> but I have been participating a working group by the Ministry of Finance
>> that is deciding upon the license for public sector information in Finland.
>> Two things I have been advocating: 1) culture sector's information should
>> be seen also as PSI, and 2) the government and the various municipalities
>> should use CC0 instead of CC-BY. I guess the first one is going through
>> more or less, because I just heard that Finna (
>> https://www.finna.fi/?lng=en-gb) will also go for CC0 with their
>> metadata. This is *not* public yet! This does not sound that impressive
>> because Europeana, but has in need required a lot of legwork :-)
>>
>>
>>  Adam, when entering the service one needs to agree the terms of use:
>>
>>  "The downloadable photographs from the Wartime Photograph Archive can
>> be used by anyone. When you publish a photograph from the archive, mention
>> "SA-kuva" as the source. You may not use the photographs to mislead people.
>> You may not use the photographs for unlawful or inappropriate purposes."
>>
>>  (actually the text in Finnish is a bit different, it refers to
>> offensive use).
>>
>>  I guess what they mean by "inappropriate purposes" falls under moral
>> issues, and I guess with this sentence they want to show respect to the
>> people who were in the war and their families. However I do agree with you,
>> people who would use these pictures in condescending way do not care about
>> the license.
>>
>>
>>  I really hope that we would be able to make them use the CC license!
>>
>>
>>  best,
>>
>>  Sanna
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2.5.2013, at 14.12, Adam Green <adam.green at okfn.org>
>>  wrote:
>>
>> These are great! Do you have any more info about what such inappropriate
>> usage might be? I'm struggling to imagine. I expect that anyone wanting to
>> any really inappropriate stuff with them maybe wouldn't care about obeying
>> licensing restrictions so much anyway, but I may be wrong.
>>
>> On 2 May 2013 11:53, Maarten Brinkerink <mbrinkerink at beeldengeluid.nl
>> > wrote:
>> Think I wouldn't hurt to at least point them to the fact that this makes
>> them incompatible with other open knowledge initiatives like for instance
>> Wikipedia.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Maarten
>>
>> Op 2 mei 2013, om 12:39 heeft Marttila Sanna-Maria <
>> sanna.marttila at aalto.fi> het volgende geschreven:
>>
>> >
>> > Hey Joris, all
>> >
>> > It is a wonderful collection of photos isn't it. It has been so popular
>> that the servers were down for many days. This was actually the collection
>> that i was referring to, that they have "home-made" license information,
>> they allow free and open use and re-use, but want to restrict the use in
>> "inappropriate" (what ever that means). Me and Petri Kola (probably you met
>> in Helsinki during the OKFestival) are planning workshops with users and
>> developers to link these pictures with Finnish army's records etc.
>> >
>> > However that you reminded me!
>> >
>> > all the best,
>> >
>> > Sanna
>> >
>> > On 1.5.2013, at 22.22, Joris Pekel <joris.pekel at okfn.org>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi all, and particularly Sanna,
>> >>
>> >> I was just looking at this great collection of World War II photos
>> from Finland. Really nice footage. The licensing here is again a bit weird,
>> it basically says it is a CC-BY-SA license, although it is not mentioned.
>> Sanna, might be worth getting in touch with explaining a bit and mention
>> the fact that using the CC license will make a much stronger legal case?
>> >>
>> >> http://sa-kuva.fi/neo?tem=webneoeng
>> >>
>> >> Cheers!
>> >>
>> >> Joris
>> >>
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