[wdmmg-discuss] coins

[Lisa Evans]

So in summary:

The Intellectual property rights for the 'proprietary database and 
specifically written application' are with the supplier.

So the main reason given for not supplying COINS is:

exemption under section 41(1) (information provided in confidence)
exemption under section 43(1) (information that constitutes a trade secret)
exemption under section 43(2) (information which would prejudice the 
commercial interests of any person)

And then they add on some practical constraints which are irrelevant as 
far as I can tell.

So it seems the next thing is to request evidence of the intellectual 
property rights.

BTW, I find it interesting that they say 'even without the application
software, the database platform still contains information structured in
such a way that it would be possible to determine the proprietary
algorithms used by the application software  and this would also breach
the IPR of the supplier',

When, in a separate FOI request, HM Treasury have given the field
descriptions of COINS broken down by dimensions:

http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/25039/response/67260/attach/3/100111%20COINS%20Schema%20for%20FOI%209%201049.xls

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On Fri, 12 Feb 2010, Martin Rosenbaum wrote:

> this was their response.
> let me know how you get on.
> martin
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> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: 05 February 2010 12:20
> To: Martin Rosenbaum
> Cc: info at okfn.org; Lisa Evans; wdmmg-discuss at lists.okfn.org; Rufus
> Pollock
> Subject: Re: coins
>
> Hi Martin,
>
> Just to follow on from Rufus's message, FYI, we currently believe COINS
> is in SAP and we have identified someone who managed the project.
>
> Also we are in the process of putting in a new request in consultation
> with a group of FOI experts. I wonder whether we might be able to see
> the exact wording of your request and response to help us do this?
> This would be most useful to help us formulate our angle. As you know
> details are all important!
>
> All the best,
>
> Jonathan
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:13 PM, Martin Rosenbaum
> <martin.rosenbaum at bbc.co.uk> wrote:
>> Your link to the coins field definitions doesn't work.
>> http://ckan.net/package/coins-field-definitions
>>
>> Martin
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