[wdmmg-discuss] coins

Fri Feb 19 19:11:01 UTC 2010

Couldn't resist it!
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/copy_of_the_coins_database

Meanwhile, according to:  http://www.descisys.com/company.html

"""Sept 2003  	 Began TeraSolve development; filed two patents for
validation and input/output systems"""

Anyone got time to track down these two software patents?

It they're used in the product, then that will logically contradict
the balls about the shape of the data happening to contain trade
secrets, doesn't it?

Julian.

On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Lisa Evans <lisa.evans at okfn.org> wrote:
> So in summary:
>
> The Intellectual property rights for the 'proprietary database and
> specifically written application' are with the supplier.
>
> So the main reason given for not supplying COINS is:
>
> exemption under section 41(1) (information provided in confidence)
> exemption under section 43(1) (information that constitutes a trade secret)
> exemption under section 43(2) (information which would prejudice the
> commercial interests of any person)
>
> And then they add on some practical constraints which are irrelevant as far
> as I can tell.
>
> So it seems the next thing is to request evidence of the intellectual
> property rights.
>
> BTW, I find it interesting that they say 'even without the application
> software, the database platform still contains information structured in
> such a way that it would be possible to determine the proprietary
> algorithms used by the application software  and this would also breach
> the IPR of the supplier',
>
> When, in a separate FOI request, HM Treasury have given the field
> descriptions of COINS broken down by dimensions:
>
> http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/25039/response/67260/attach/3/100111%20COINS%20Schema%20for%20FOI%209%201049.xls
>
> -----
>
> On Fri, 12 Feb 2010, Martin Rosenbaum wrote:
>
>> this was their response.
>> let me know how you get on.
>> martin
>>
>> Martin Rosenbaum
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>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: okfn.jonathan.gray at googlemail.com
>> [mailto:okfn.jonathan.gray at googlemail.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Gray
>> Sent: 05 February 2010 12:20
>> To: Martin Rosenbaum
>> Cc: info at okfn.org; Lisa Evans; wdmmg-discuss at lists.okfn.org; Rufus
>> Pollock
>> Subject: Re: coins
>>
>> Hi Martin,
>>
>> Just to follow on from Rufus's message, FYI, we currently believe COINS
>> is in SAP and we have identified someone who managed the project.
>>
>> Also we are in the process of putting in a new request in consultation
>> with a group of FOI experts. I wonder whether we might be able to see
>> the exact wording of your request and response to help us do this?
>> This would be most useful to help us formulate our angle. As you know
>> details are all important!
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Jonathan
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:13 PM, Martin Rosenbaum
>> <martin.rosenbaum at bbc.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> Your link to the coins field definitions doesn't work.
>>> http://ckan.net/package/coins-field-definitions
>>>
>>> Martin
>>>
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