[OpenSpending] Anyone from Netherlands on this list?
Ton Zijlstra
ton.zijlstra at gmail.com
Wed Mar 26 08:19:14 UTC 2014
Hi Marco, Sander
Excellent. As far as I know the data will be csv and/or excel.
These are the (Dutch) column headers contained in the data, and their
description:
Periode maand waarin bedrag is
uitgegeven
Soort uitgaven / ontvangst dit is de omschrijving van de uitgave /
ontvangst op het laagste detailniveau / hoogste abstractieniveau
Algemene categorie dit is de omschrijving van de uitgave /
ontvangst op een hoger detailniveau
Specifieke categorie dit is de omschrijving van de uitgave /
ontvangst op nog hoger detailniveau
Omschrijving dit is de omschrijving van de uitgave /
ontvangst op het hoogste detailniveau (transactieniveau)
College/collegelid in deze kolom vermelden we of
het een uitgave van het College of een Collegelid betreft
Bedrag de hoogte van de uitgave /
ontvangst
Judging from that description it allows you to see transaction level data,
while at the same time perceive three aggregate levels representing their
internal accounting and reporting structure. Some transactions will be
obscured, due to various economic grounds for exception. (Mind you, they
are not covered by the Freedom of Information Act / WOB, but they use it as
a yardstick anyway and act as if they are covered by it nonetheless. They
have no obligation at all to answer to the public, but obviously as their
role is tracking gov money on behalf of the public, they are keenly aware
they represent public interest and should act accordingly) Also note they
specifically demarcate board related costs from other operational costs.
FYI, originally this data has been already released to all employees
internally, to figure out if it opens up interesting new discussions etc,
points to cost saving possibilities. They did that in the spring of 2013.
Opening up to the public is their next step on this path.
Their rationale for opening up is that as the High Court of Audit, and the
constitutionally appointed institute for financial transparency of gov,
they want to lead by example. That they intend to use as leverage to get
government Ministries to do the same thing.
They will also release a 'Trend Report' Open Data on Thursday giving a
first overview of how far they think Ministries are. They will aim to
repeat that every few months to track progress.
It would be great if you two would see opportunity to get the data into
openspending.org quickly, so that a few quick visualizations are possible.
It will help their open data team to show their colleagues there is active
interest in the steps they are taking.
I will put you in touch with my contact at the Algemene Rekenkamer, so they
can send you the data as soon as they release it.
(disclaimer: I have been working with them for the past year or so,
providing advise and facilitating sessions/discussions with relevant
Ministries.)
best,
Ton
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On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Marco Voormolen
<marco.voormolen at gmail.com>wrote:
> Hey Ton,
>
> Great to read that! And although i have a very busy few weeks coming up,
> i'm definately interested in taking a look at the data. Sounds like that's
> going to be huge. Can i find some more information anywhere? Im curious in
> what format they will release them, I'm hoping some excel/database files.
> Curious to hear more!
>
> Thanks for the info so far!
>
> Marco
> On Mar 25, 2014 6:18 PM, "Ton Zijlstra" <ton.zijlstra at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Is there anyone from the Netherlands on this list?
>> The Dutch High Court of Audit (Algemene Rekenkamer) is going to release
>> their transaction level spending on Thursday in a presentation to the House
>> of Parliament.
>>
>> They are eager to see their data picked up and used, and I suggested
>> putting them in touch with possibly interested people here at
>> OpenSpending.org.
>>
>> Let me know if you are interested.
>>
>> best,
>>
>> Ton
>>
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On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 9:10 AM, Sander van der Waal <
sander.vanderwaal at okfn.org> wrote:
> Great news Ton, I'm interested as well! Could spend some time on this over
> the weekend possibly. Would love to hear more.
>
> Sander
>
>
> On 26 March 2014 09:00, Marco Voormolen <marco.voormolen at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hey Ton,
>>
>> Great to read that! And although i have a very busy few weeks coming up,
>> i'm definately interested in taking a look at the data. Sounds like that's
>> going to be huge. Can i find some more information anywhere? Im curious in
>> what format they will release them, I'm hoping some excel/database files.
>> Curious to hear more!
>>
>> Thanks for the info so far!
>>
>> Marco
>> On Mar 25, 2014 6:18 PM, "Ton Zijlstra" <ton.zijlstra at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Is there anyone from the Netherlands on this list?
>>> The Dutch High Court of Audit (Algemene Rekenkamer) is going to release
>>> their transaction level spending on Thursday in a presentation to the House
>>> of Parliament.
>>>
>>> They are eager to see their data picked up and used, and I suggested
>>> putting them in touch with possibly interested people here at
>>> OpenSpending.org.
>>>
>>> Let me know if you are interested.
>>>
>>> best,
>>>
>>> Ton
>>>
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>>>
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