[OpenSpending] Anyone from Netherlands on this list?

Wed Mar 26 08:40:04 UTC 2014

Dear Ton,

Sounds very promising! Seems like very-little is going to be needed to make
the data openspending-ready! Awaiting the data eagerly!

Marco

2014-03-26 9:19 GMT+01:00 Ton Zijlstra <ton.zijlstra at gmail.com>:

> Hi Marco, Sander
>
> Excellent. As far as I know the data will be csv and/or excel.
>
> These are the (Dutch) column headers contained in the data, and their
> description:
>
> Periode                                     maand waarin bedrag is
> uitgegeven
>
> Soort uitgaven / ontvangst  dit is de omschrijving van de uitgave /
> ontvangst op het laagste detailniveau / hoogste abstractieniveau
>
> Algemene categorie           dit is de omschrijving van de uitgave /
> ontvangst op een hoger detailniveau
>
> Specifieke categorie          dit is de omschrijving van de uitgave /
> ontvangst op nog hoger detailniveau
>
> Omschrijving                    dit is de omschrijving van de uitgave /
> ontvangst op het hoogste detailniveau (transactieniveau)
>
> College/collegelid                         in deze kolom vermelden we of
> het een uitgave van het College of een Collegelid betreft
>
> Bedrag                                      de hoogte van de uitgave /
> ontvangst
>
> Judging from that description it allows you to see transaction level data,
> while at the same time perceive three aggregate levels representing their
> internal accounting and reporting structure. Some transactions will be
> obscured, due to various economic grounds for exception. (Mind you, they
> are not covered by the Freedom of Information Act / WOB, but they use it as
> a yardstick anyway and act as if they are covered by it nonetheless. They
> have no obligation at all to answer to the public, but obviously as their
> role is tracking gov money on behalf of the public, they are keenly aware
> they represent public interest and should act accordingly) Also note they
> specifically demarcate board related costs from other operational costs.
>
> FYI, originally this data has been already released to all employees
> internally, to figure out if it opens up interesting new discussions etc,
> points to cost saving possibilities. They did that in the spring of 2013.
> Opening up to the public is their next step on this path.
>
> Their rationale for opening up is that as the High Court of Audit, and the
> constitutionally appointed institute for financial transparency of gov,
> they want to lead by example. That they intend to use as leverage to get
> government Ministries to do the same thing.
>
> They will also release a 'Trend Report' Open Data on Thursday giving a
> first overview of how far they think Ministries are. They will aim to
> repeat that every few months to track progress.
>
>
> It would be great if you two would see opportunity to get the data into
> openspending.org quickly, so that a few quick visualizations are
> possible. It will help their open data team to show their colleagues there
> is active interest in the steps they are taking.
>
> I will put you in touch with my contact at the Algemene Rekenkamer, so
> they can send you the data as soon as they release it.
>
>
> (disclaimer: I have been working with them for the past year or so,
> providing advise and facilitating sessions/discussions with relevant
> Ministries.)
>
> best,
> Ton
>
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>
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>
> On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Marco Voormolen <
> marco.voormolen at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hey Ton,
>>
>> Great to read that! And although i have a very busy few weeks coming up,
>> i'm definately interested in taking a look at the data. Sounds like that's
>> going to be huge. Can i find some more information anywhere? Im curious in
>> what format they will release them, I'm hoping some excel/database files.
>> Curious to hear more!
>>
>> Thanks for the info so far!
>>
>> Marco
>> On Mar 25, 2014 6:18 PM, "Ton Zijlstra" <ton.zijlstra at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Is there anyone from the Netherlands on this list?
>>> The Dutch High Court of Audit (Algemene Rekenkamer) is going to release
>>> their transaction level spending on Thursday in a presentation to the House
>>> of Parliament.
>>>
>>> They are eager to see their data picked up and used, and I suggested
>>> putting them in touch with possibly interested people here at
>>> OpenSpending.org.
>>>
>>> Let me know if you are interested.
>>>
>>> best,
>>>
>>> Ton
>>>
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>>>
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> On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 9:10 AM, Sander van der Waal <
> sander.vanderwaal at okfn.org> wrote:
>
>> Great news Ton, I'm interested as well! Could spend some time on this
>> over the weekend possibly. Would love to hear more.
>>
>> Sander
>>
>>
>> On 26 March 2014 09:00, Marco Voormolen <marco.voormolen at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Ton,
>>>
>>> Great to read that! And although i have a very busy few weeks coming up,
>>> i'm definately interested in taking a look at the data. Sounds like that's
>>> going to be huge. Can i find some more information anywhere? Im curious in
>>> what format they will release them, I'm hoping some excel/database files.
>>> Curious to hear more!
>>>
>>> Thanks for the info so far!
>>>
>>> Marco
>>> On Mar 25, 2014 6:18 PM, "Ton Zijlstra" <ton.zijlstra at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Is there anyone from the Netherlands on this list?
>>>> The Dutch High Court of Audit (Algemene Rekenkamer) is going to release
>>>> their transaction level spending on Thursday in a presentation to the House
>>>> of Parliament.
>>>>
>>>> They are eager to see their data picked up and used, and I suggested
>>>> putting them in touch with possibly interested people here at
>>>> OpenSpending.org.
>>>>
>>>> Let me know if you are interested.
>>>>
>>>> best,
>>>>
>>>> Ton
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> Interdependent Thoughts
>>>> Ton Zijlstra
>>>>
>>>> ton at tonzijlstra.eu
>>>> +31-6-34489360
>>>>
>>>> http://zylstra.org/blog
>>>>
>>>>
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