[OpenSpending] Anyone from Netherlands on this list?
Pierre Chrzanowski
pierre.chrzanowski at gmail.com
Wed Mar 26 09:23:51 UTC 2014
As already expressed to Ton, I can also offer my support if needed.
Best
On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 9:40 AM, Marco Voormolen
<marco.voormolen at gmail.com>wrote:
> Dear Ton,
>
> Sounds very promising! Seems like very-little is going to be needed to
> make the data openspending-ready! Awaiting the data eagerly!
>
> Marco
>
>
> 2014-03-26 9:19 GMT+01:00 Ton Zijlstra <ton.zijlstra at gmail.com>:
>
> Hi Marco, Sander
>>
>> Excellent. As far as I know the data will be csv and/or excel.
>>
>> These are the (Dutch) column headers contained in the data, and their
>> description:
>>
>> Periode maand waarin bedrag is
>> uitgegeven
>>
>> Soort uitgaven / ontvangst dit is de omschrijving van de uitgave /
>> ontvangst op het laagste detailniveau / hoogste abstractieniveau
>>
>> Algemene categorie dit is de omschrijving van de uitgave /
>> ontvangst op een hoger detailniveau
>>
>> Specifieke categorie dit is de omschrijving van de uitgave /
>> ontvangst op nog hoger detailniveau
>>
>> Omschrijving dit is de omschrijving van de uitgave /
>> ontvangst op het hoogste detailniveau (transactieniveau)
>>
>> College/collegelid in deze kolom vermelden we of
>> het een uitgave van het College of een Collegelid betreft
>>
>> Bedrag de hoogte van de uitgave /
>> ontvangst
>>
>> Judging from that description it allows you to see transaction level
>> data, while at the same time perceive three aggregate levels representing
>> their internal accounting and reporting structure. Some transactions will
>> be obscured, due to various economic grounds for exception. (Mind you, they
>> are not covered by the Freedom of Information Act / WOB, but they use it as
>> a yardstick anyway and act as if they are covered by it nonetheless. They
>> have no obligation at all to answer to the public, but obviously as their
>> role is tracking gov money on behalf of the public, they are keenly aware
>> they represent public interest and should act accordingly) Also note they
>> specifically demarcate board related costs from other operational costs.
>>
>> FYI, originally this data has been already released to all employees
>> internally, to figure out if it opens up interesting new discussions etc,
>> points to cost saving possibilities. They did that in the spring of 2013.
>> Opening up to the public is their next step on this path.
>>
>> Their rationale for opening up is that as the High Court of Audit, and
>> the constitutionally appointed institute for financial transparency of gov,
>> they want to lead by example. That they intend to use as leverage to get
>> government Ministries to do the same thing.
>>
>> They will also release a 'Trend Report' Open Data on Thursday giving a
>> first overview of how far they think Ministries are. They will aim to
>> repeat that every few months to track progress.
>>
>>
>> It would be great if you two would see opportunity to get the data into
>> openspending.org quickly, so that a few quick visualizations are
>> possible. It will help their open data team to show their colleagues there
>> is active interest in the steps they are taking.
>>
>> I will put you in touch with my contact at the Algemene Rekenkamer, so
>> they can send you the data as soon as they release it.
>>
>>
>> (disclaimer: I have been working with them for the past year or so,
>> providing advise and facilitating sessions/discussions with relevant
>> Ministries.)
>>
>> best,
>> Ton
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Interdependent Thoughts
>> Ton Zijlstra
>>
>> ton at tonzijlstra.eu
>> +31-6-34489360
>>
>> http://zylstra.org/blog
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Marco Voormolen <
>> marco.voormolen at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Ton,
>>>
>>> Great to read that! And although i have a very busy few weeks coming up,
>>> i'm definately interested in taking a look at the data. Sounds like that's
>>> going to be huge. Can i find some more information anywhere? Im curious in
>>> what format they will release them, I'm hoping some excel/database files.
>>> Curious to hear more!
>>>
>>> Thanks for the info so far!
>>>
>>> Marco
>>> On Mar 25, 2014 6:18 PM, "Ton Zijlstra" <ton.zijlstra at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Is there anyone from the Netherlands on this list?
>>>> The Dutch High Court of Audit (Algemene Rekenkamer) is going to release
>>>> their transaction level spending on Thursday in a presentation to the House
>>>> of Parliament.
>>>>
>>>> They are eager to see their data picked up and used, and I suggested
>>>> putting them in touch with possibly interested people here at
>>>> OpenSpending.org.
>>>>
>>>> Let me know if you are interested.
>>>>
>>>> best,
>>>>
>>>> Ton
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> Interdependent Thoughts
>>>> Ton Zijlstra
>>>>
>>>> ton at tonzijlstra.eu
>>>> +31-6-34489360
>>>>
>>>> http://zylstra.org/blog
>>>>
>>>>
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>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Interdependent Thoughts
>> Ton Zijlstra
>>
>> ton at tonzijlstra.eu
>> +31-6-34489360
>>
>> http://zylstra.org/blog
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 9:10 AM, Sander van der Waal <
>> sander.vanderwaal at okfn.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Great news Ton, I'm interested as well! Could spend some time on this
>>> over the weekend possibly. Would love to hear more.
>>>
>>> Sander
>>>
>>>
>>> On 26 March 2014 09:00, Marco Voormolen <marco.voormolen at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey Ton,
>>>>
>>>> Great to read that! And although i have a very busy few weeks coming
>>>> up, i'm definately interested in taking a look at the data. Sounds like
>>>> that's going to be huge. Can i find some more information anywhere? Im
>>>> curious in what format they will release them, I'm hoping some
>>>> excel/database files. Curious to hear more!
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the info so far!
>>>>
>>>> Marco
>>>> On Mar 25, 2014 6:18 PM, "Ton Zijlstra" <ton.zijlstra at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there anyone from the Netherlands on this list?
>>>>> The Dutch High Court of Audit (Algemene Rekenkamer) is going to
>>>>> release their transaction level spending on Thursday in a presentation to
>>>>> the House of Parliament.
>>>>>
>>>>> They are eager to see their data picked up and used, and I suggested
>>>>> putting them in touch with possibly interested people here at
>>>>> OpenSpending.org.
>>>>>
>>>>> Let me know if you are interested.
>>>>>
>>>>> best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Ton
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> Interdependent Thoughts
>>>>> Ton Zijlstra
>>>>>
>>>>> ton at tonzijlstra.eu
>>>>> +31-6-34489360
>>>>>
>>>>> http://zylstra.org/blog
>>>>>
>>>>>
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