[OpenSpending] Anyone from Netherlands on this list?
Anders Pedersen
anders.pedersen at okfn.org
Thu Mar 27 22:02:54 UTC 2014
Hi Ton, Karen, Marco, Pierre, all,
Great initiative to share this on the list - and wonderful to see the
interest!
I believe that the Rekenkamer shared the data today via this release:
http://www.rekenkamer.nl/Verslag/Verslag_2013/Verslag_2013/Bedrijfsvoering/Financi%C3%ABn/Uitgaven_2013
The data is released both as XLS and CSV. Here is the direct download link
for the CSV file<http://www.rekenkamer.nl/dsresource?type=org&objectid=arbeheer:171186&versionid=&subobjectname=>
of
the transactional spending.
[fluent Dutch speakers, correct me if I am wrong :-)].
If you are working on it and get stuck let us know on list and we will
assist! Look forward to see this up on OpenSpending.
Best,
Anders
On 26 March 2014 05:23, Pierre Chrzanowski <pierre.chrzanowski at gmail.com>wrote:
> As already expressed to Ton, I can also offer my support if needed.
> Best
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 9:40 AM, Marco Voormolen <
> marco.voormolen at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Ton,
>>
>> Sounds very promising! Seems like very-little is going to be needed to
>> make the data openspending-ready! Awaiting the data eagerly!
>>
>> Marco
>>
>>
>> 2014-03-26 9:19 GMT+01:00 Ton Zijlstra <ton.zijlstra at gmail.com>:
>>
>> Hi Marco, Sander
>>>
>>> Excellent. As far as I know the data will be csv and/or excel.
>>>
>>> These are the (Dutch) column headers contained in the data, and their
>>> description:
>>>
>>> Periode maand waarin bedrag is
>>> uitgegeven
>>>
>>> Soort uitgaven / ontvangst dit is de omschrijving van de uitgave /
>>> ontvangst op het laagste detailniveau / hoogste abstractieniveau
>>>
>>> Algemene categorie dit is de omschrijving van de uitgave /
>>> ontvangst op een hoger detailniveau
>>>
>>> Specifieke categorie dit is de omschrijving van de uitgave /
>>> ontvangst op nog hoger detailniveau
>>>
>>> Omschrijving dit is de omschrijving van de uitgave /
>>> ontvangst op het hoogste detailniveau (transactieniveau)
>>>
>>> College/collegelid in deze kolom vermelden we
>>> of het een uitgave van het College of een Collegelid betreft
>>>
>>> Bedrag de hoogte van de uitgave /
>>> ontvangst
>>>
>>> Judging from that description it allows you to see transaction level
>>> data, while at the same time perceive three aggregate levels representing
>>> their internal accounting and reporting structure. Some transactions will
>>> be obscured, due to various economic grounds for exception. (Mind you, they
>>> are not covered by the Freedom of Information Act / WOB, but they use it as
>>> a yardstick anyway and act as if they are covered by it nonetheless. They
>>> have no obligation at all to answer to the public, but obviously as their
>>> role is tracking gov money on behalf of the public, they are keenly aware
>>> they represent public interest and should act accordingly) Also note they
>>> specifically demarcate board related costs from other operational costs.
>>>
>>> FYI, originally this data has been already released to all employees
>>> internally, to figure out if it opens up interesting new discussions etc,
>>> points to cost saving possibilities. They did that in the spring of 2013.
>>> Opening up to the public is their next step on this path.
>>>
>>> Their rationale for opening up is that as the High Court of Audit, and
>>> the constitutionally appointed institute for financial transparency of gov,
>>> they want to lead by example. That they intend to use as leverage to get
>>> government Ministries to do the same thing.
>>>
>>> They will also release a 'Trend Report' Open Data on Thursday giving a
>>> first overview of how far they think Ministries are. They will aim to
>>> repeat that every few months to track progress.
>>>
>>>
>>> It would be great if you two would see opportunity to get the data into
>>> openspending.org quickly, so that a few quick visualizations are
>>> possible. It will help their open data team to show their colleagues there
>>> is active interest in the steps they are taking.
>>>
>>> I will put you in touch with my contact at the Algemene Rekenkamer, so
>>> they can send you the data as soon as they release it.
>>>
>>>
>>> (disclaimer: I have been working with them for the past year or so,
>>> providing advise and facilitating sessions/discussions with relevant
>>> Ministries.)
>>>
>>> best,
>>> Ton
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Interdependent Thoughts
>>> Ton Zijlstra
>>>
>>> ton at tonzijlstra.eu
>>> +31-6-34489360
>>>
>>> http://zylstra.org/blog
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Marco Voormolen <
>>> marco.voormolen at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey Ton,
>>>>
>>>> Great to read that! And although i have a very busy few weeks coming
>>>> up, i'm definately interested in taking a look at the data. Sounds like
>>>> that's going to be huge. Can i find some more information anywhere? Im
>>>> curious in what format they will release them, I'm hoping some
>>>> excel/database files. Curious to hear more!
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the info so far!
>>>>
>>>> Marco
>>>> On Mar 25, 2014 6:18 PM, "Ton Zijlstra" <ton.zijlstra at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there anyone from the Netherlands on this list?
>>>>> The Dutch High Court of Audit (Algemene Rekenkamer) is going to
>>>>> release their transaction level spending on Thursday in a presentation to
>>>>> the House of Parliament.
>>>>>
>>>>> They are eager to see their data picked up and used, and I suggested
>>>>> putting them in touch with possibly interested people here at
>>>>> OpenSpending.org.
>>>>>
>>>>> Let me know if you are interested.
>>>>>
>>>>> best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Ton
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> Interdependent Thoughts
>>>>> Ton Zijlstra
>>>>>
>>>>> ton at tonzijlstra.eu
>>>>> +31-6-34489360
>>>>>
>>>>> http://zylstra.org/blog
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 9:10 AM, Sander van der Waal <
>>> sander.vanderwaal at okfn.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Great news Ton, I'm interested as well! Could spend some time on this
>>>> over the weekend possibly. Would love to hear more.
>>>>
>>>> Sander
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 26 March 2014 09:00, Marco Voormolen <marco.voormolen at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hey Ton,
>>>>>
>>>>> Great to read that! And although i have a very busy few weeks coming
>>>>> up, i'm definately interested in taking a look at the data. Sounds like
>>>>> that's going to be huge. Can i find some more information anywhere? Im
>>>>> curious in what format they will release them, I'm hoping some
>>>>> excel/database files. Curious to hear more!
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the info so far!
>>>>>
>>>>> Marco
>>>>> On Mar 25, 2014 6:18 PM, "Ton Zijlstra" <ton.zijlstra at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there anyone from the Netherlands on this list?
>>>>>> The Dutch High Court of Audit (Algemene Rekenkamer) is going to
>>>>>> release their transaction level spending on Thursday in a presentation to
>>>>>> the House of Parliament.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They are eager to see their data picked up and used, and I suggested
>>>>>> putting them in touch with possibly interested people here at
>>>>>> OpenSpending.org.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let me know if you are interested.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ton
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> Interdependent Thoughts
>>>>>> Ton Zijlstra
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ton at tonzijlstra.eu
>>>>>> +31-6-34489360
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://zylstra.org/blog
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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