[OpenSpending] Anyone from Netherlands on this list?
Chris Taggart
countculture at gmail.com
Thu Mar 27 22:41:50 UTC 2014
Ton
I'm sure they understand the irony in releasing this, but not making the
core dataset to make sense of the recipient -- i.e. the Company Register
(KvK) -- available as open data.
Chris
On 27 March 2014 18:02, Anders Pedersen <anders.pedersen at okfn.org> wrote:
> Hi Ton, Karen, Marco, Pierre, all,
>
> Great initiative to share this on the list - and wonderful to see the
> interest!
>
> I believe that the Rekenkamer shared the data today via this release:
>
> http://www.rekenkamer.nl/Verslag/Verslag_2013/Verslag_2013/Bedrijfsvoering/Financi%C3%ABn/Uitgaven_2013
>
> The data is released both as XLS and CSV. Here is the direct download link
> for the CSV file<http://www.rekenkamer.nl/dsresource?type=org&objectid=arbeheer:171186&versionid=&subobjectname=> of
> the transactional spending.
> [fluent Dutch speakers, correct me if I am wrong :-)].
>
> If you are working on it and get stuck let us know on list and we will
> assist! Look forward to see this up on OpenSpending.
>
> Best,
> Anders
>
>
>
> On 26 March 2014 05:23, Pierre Chrzanowski <pierre.chrzanowski at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> As already expressed to Ton, I can also offer my support if needed.
>> Best
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 9:40 AM, Marco Voormolen <
>> marco.voormolen at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Ton,
>>>
>>> Sounds very promising! Seems like very-little is going to be needed to
>>> make the data openspending-ready! Awaiting the data eagerly!
>>>
>>> Marco
>>>
>>>
>>> 2014-03-26 9:19 GMT+01:00 Ton Zijlstra <ton.zijlstra at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>> Hi Marco, Sander
>>>>
>>>> Excellent. As far as I know the data will be csv and/or excel.
>>>>
>>>> These are the (Dutch) column headers contained in the data, and their
>>>> description:
>>>>
>>>> Periode maand waarin bedrag is
>>>> uitgegeven
>>>>
>>>> Soort uitgaven / ontvangst dit is de omschrijving van de uitgave /
>>>> ontvangst op het laagste detailniveau / hoogste abstractieniveau
>>>>
>>>> Algemene categorie dit is de omschrijving van de uitgave /
>>>> ontvangst op een hoger detailniveau
>>>>
>>>> Specifieke categorie dit is de omschrijving van de uitgave /
>>>> ontvangst op nog hoger detailniveau
>>>>
>>>> Omschrijving dit is de omschrijving van de uitgave
>>>> / ontvangst op het hoogste detailniveau (transactieniveau)
>>>>
>>>> College/collegelid in deze kolom vermelden we
>>>> of het een uitgave van het College of een Collegelid betreft
>>>>
>>>> Bedrag de hoogte van de uitgave /
>>>> ontvangst
>>>>
>>>> Judging from that description it allows you to see transaction level
>>>> data, while at the same time perceive three aggregate levels representing
>>>> their internal accounting and reporting structure. Some transactions will
>>>> be obscured, due to various economic grounds for exception. (Mind you, they
>>>> are not covered by the Freedom of Information Act / WOB, but they use it as
>>>> a yardstick anyway and act as if they are covered by it nonetheless. They
>>>> have no obligation at all to answer to the public, but obviously as their
>>>> role is tracking gov money on behalf of the public, they are keenly aware
>>>> they represent public interest and should act accordingly) Also note they
>>>> specifically demarcate board related costs from other operational costs.
>>>>
>>>> FYI, originally this data has been already released to all employees
>>>> internally, to figure out if it opens up interesting new discussions etc,
>>>> points to cost saving possibilities. They did that in the spring of 2013.
>>>> Opening up to the public is their next step on this path.
>>>>
>>>> Their rationale for opening up is that as the High Court of Audit, and
>>>> the constitutionally appointed institute for financial transparency of gov,
>>>> they want to lead by example. That they intend to use as leverage to get
>>>> government Ministries to do the same thing.
>>>>
>>>> They will also release a 'Trend Report' Open Data on Thursday giving a
>>>> first overview of how far they think Ministries are. They will aim to
>>>> repeat that every few months to track progress.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It would be great if you two would see opportunity to get the data into
>>>> openspending.org quickly, so that a few quick visualizations are
>>>> possible. It will help their open data team to show their colleagues there
>>>> is active interest in the steps they are taking.
>>>>
>>>> I will put you in touch with my contact at the Algemene Rekenkamer, so
>>>> they can send you the data as soon as they release it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> (disclaimer: I have been working with them for the past year or so,
>>>> providing advise and facilitating sessions/discussions with relevant
>>>> Ministries.)
>>>>
>>>> best,
>>>> Ton
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> Interdependent Thoughts
>>>> Ton Zijlstra
>>>>
>>>> ton at tonzijlstra.eu
>>>> +31-6-34489360
>>>>
>>>> http://zylstra.org/blog
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Marco Voormolen <
>>>> marco.voormolen at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hey Ton,
>>>>>
>>>>> Great to read that! And although i have a very busy few weeks coming
>>>>> up, i'm definately interested in taking a look at the data. Sounds like
>>>>> that's going to be huge. Can i find some more information anywhere? Im
>>>>> curious in what format they will release them, I'm hoping some
>>>>> excel/database files. Curious to hear more!
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the info so far!
>>>>>
>>>>> Marco
>>>>> On Mar 25, 2014 6:18 PM, "Ton Zijlstra" <ton.zijlstra at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there anyone from the Netherlands on this list?
>>>>>> The Dutch High Court of Audit (Algemene Rekenkamer) is going to
>>>>>> release their transaction level spending on Thursday in a presentation to
>>>>>> the House of Parliament.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They are eager to see their data picked up and used, and I suggested
>>>>>> putting them in touch with possibly interested people here at
>>>>>> OpenSpending.org.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let me know if you are interested.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ton
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> Interdependent Thoughts
>>>>>> Ton Zijlstra
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ton at tonzijlstra.eu
>>>>>> +31-6-34489360
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://zylstra.org/blog
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> Interdependent Thoughts
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>>>>
>>>> ton at tonzijlstra.eu
>>>> +31-6-34489360
>>>>
>>>> http://zylstra.org/blog
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 9:10 AM, Sander van der Waal <
>>>> sander.vanderwaal at okfn.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Great news Ton, I'm interested as well! Could spend some time on this
>>>>> over the weekend possibly. Would love to hear more.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sander
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 26 March 2014 09:00, Marco Voormolen <marco.voormolen at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey Ton,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Great to read that! And although i have a very busy few weeks coming
>>>>>> up, i'm definately interested in taking a look at the data. Sounds like
>>>>>> that's going to be huge. Can i find some more information anywhere? Im
>>>>>> curious in what format they will release them, I'm hoping some
>>>>>> excel/database files. Curious to hear more!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for the info so far!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Marco
>>>>>> On Mar 25, 2014 6:18 PM, "Ton Zijlstra" <ton.zijlstra at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is there anyone from the Netherlands on this list?
>>>>>>> The Dutch High Court of Audit (Algemene Rekenkamer) is going to
>>>>>>> release their transaction level spending on Thursday in a presentation to
>>>>>>> the House of Parliament.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They are eager to see their data picked up and used, and I suggested
>>>>>>> putting them in touch with possibly interested people here at
>>>>>>> OpenSpending.org.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let me know if you are interested.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> best,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ton
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> Interdependent Thoughts
>>>>>>> Ton Zijlstra
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ton at tonzijlstra.eu
>>>>>>> +31-6-34489360
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://zylstra.org/blog
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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