[OpenSpending] openspending Digest, Vol 57, Issue 5
Tony.Hirst
tony.hirst at open.ac.uk
Wed Sep 24 17:20:09 UTC 2014
Do you run the webstats on how openspending is being used? Are there any
bits of functionality that are expensive in resource but rarely used in
practice? That might include responsiveness - if for example folk are more
likely to download data than try to work with it onsite?
On 24/09/2014 17:44, "openspending-request at lists.okfn.org"
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> 1. Re: Independently keeping the lights on: Ideas?
> (Tryggvi Bj?rgvinsson)
> 2. Re: Independently keeping the lights on: Ideas? (Manish Dangol)
> 3. Re: Independently keeping the lights on: Ideas? (Jan Gondol)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 12:01:05 +0000
>From: Tryggvi Bj?rgvinsson <tryggvi.bjorgvinsson at okfn.org>
>To: openspending at lists.okfn.org
>Subject: Re: [OpenSpending] Independently keeping the lights on:
> Ideas?
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>Hey Jan,
>
>Thanks for the quick response.
>
>I've updated the budget spreadsheet which Anders linked to in his email
>from June (which I quoted in my last email):
>https://docs.google.com/a/okfn.org/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvdkMlz2NopEdHhpUE
>xMQWVTcmJVVWl1VWlwX05QWXc&usp=drive_web#gid=0
>
>I added a comment to the "Server costs" cell with what we're running now
>(or will be running on Tuesday).
>
>/Tryggvi
>
>On mi? 24.sep 2014 10:26, Jan Gondol wrote:
>> Hello, what are the HW requirements for hosting? (Amount of data
>> stored, current number of nodes + estimated RAM needed on each node,
>> monthly bandwidth, peak traffic, CPU,...)
>> Jan
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Tryggvi Bj?rgvinsson
>> <tryggvi.bjorgvinsson at okfn.org <mailto:tryggvi.bjorgvinsson at okfn.org>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi again,
>>
>> (Sorry for cross-posting)
>>
>> As I mentioned in my previous email OpenSpending does not have a
>> revenue source to pay for the hosting costs (and Open Knowledge
>> has been very kind to help us out on that front).
>>
>> We have been looking into getting sponsored hosting for
>> OpenSpending because the server cost is the biggest cost of the
>> project. Irrespective of sponsored hosting or not, I think
>> OpenSpending could benefit from not being "broke" so I wanted to
>> start a discussion with you (the community) to see if you have any
>> ideas for how we can get some sort of money into the project.
>>
>> The last thing I would want to do is charge users for hosting data
>> on OpenSpending. I just think it feels weird to charge people who
>> want to help increase government transparency. Another thing I'd
>> like to avoid is removing functionality of the OpenSpending
>> platform just because they can be expensive to do.
>>
>> But we do need to somehow connect money coming in with money going
>> out (as more datasets are created the costs of storing/processing
>> them goes up) so ideas where increasing costs are covered by some
>> sort of increasing revenue are preferable but at this moment,
>> anything is better than nothing, so all ideas are welcomed :-)
>>
>> I'm just thinking about brainstorming now. We can look into how
>> viable the ideas are later.
>>
>> Do you have any ideas?
>>
>> /Tryggvi
>>
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>Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 20:25:18 +0545
>From: Manish Dangol <dangol.manish at gmail.com>
>To: OpenSpending Discussion List <openspending at lists.okfn.org>
>Subject: Re: [OpenSpending] Independently keeping the lights on:
> Ideas?
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>Hello,
>May be we can add some data classes in the internet/event where we can
>raise some money may be not big enough but might get some resources.
>
>Regards
>Manish Dangol
>
>On 24 September 2014 17:46, Tryggvi Bj?rgvinsson <
>tryggvi.bjorgvinsson at okfn.org> wrote:
>
>> Hey Jan,
>>
>> Thanks for the quick response.
>>
>> I've updated the budget spreadsheet which Anders linked to in his email
>> from June (which I quoted in my last email):
>>
>>
>>https://docs.google.com/a/okfn.org/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvdkMlz2NopEdHhpU
>>ExMQWVTcmJVVWl1VWlwX05QWXc&usp=drive_web#gid=0
>>
>> I added a comment to the "Server costs" cell with what we're running now
>> (or will be running on Tuesday).
>>
>> /Tryggvi
>>
>>
>> On mi? 24.sep 2014 10:26, Jan Gondol wrote:
>>
>> Hello, what are the HW requirements for hosting? (Amount of data
>>stored,
>> current number of nodes + estimated RAM needed on each node, monthly
>> bandwidth, peak traffic, CPU,...)
>> Jan
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Tryggvi Bj?rgvinsson <
>> tryggvi.bjorgvinsson at okfn.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi again,
>>>
>>> (Sorry for cross-posting)
>>>
>>> As I mentioned in my previous email OpenSpending does not have a
>>>revenue
>>> source to pay for the hosting costs (and Open Knowledge has been very
>>>kind
>>> to help us out on that front).
>>>
>>> We have been looking into getting sponsored hosting for OpenSpending
>>> because the server cost is the biggest cost of the project.
>>>Irrespective of
>>> sponsored hosting or not, I think OpenSpending could benefit from not
>>>being
>>> "broke" so I wanted to start a discussion with you (the community) to
>>>see
>>> if you have any ideas for how we can get some sort of money into the
>>> project.
>>>
>>> The last thing I would want to do is charge users for hosting data on
>>> OpenSpending. I just think it feels weird to charge people who want to
>>>help
>>> increase government transparency. Another thing I'd like to avoid is
>>> removing functionality of the OpenSpending platform just because they
>>>can
>>> be expensive to do.
>>>
>>> But we do need to somehow connect money coming in with money going out
>>> (as more datasets are created the costs of storing/processing them
>>>goes up)
>>> so ideas where increasing costs are covered by some sort of increasing
>>> revenue are preferable but at this moment, anything is better than
>>>nothing,
>>> so all ideas are welcomed :-)
>>>
>>> I'm just thinking about brainstorming now. We can look into how viable
>>> the ideas are later.
>>>
>>> Do you have any ideas?
>>>
>>> /Tryggvi
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> openspending mailing list
>>> openspending at lists.okfn.org
>>> https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/openspending
>>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/options/openspending
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>*Yours SincerelyManish Dangol*
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>Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 18:43:27 +0200
>From: Jan Gondol <gondol at gondol.sk>
>To: OpenSpending Discussion List <openspending at lists.okfn.org>
>Subject: Re: [OpenSpending] Independently keeping the lights on:
> Ideas?
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>Hi,
>
>Thanks for writing back. From my perspective, AWS is great when you need
>to
>quickly scale up or down. For 24/7 usage, especially if there are no
>massive peaks, it's significantly cheaper to use statically allocated
>resources (dedicated servers or virtual private servers).
>
>Would moving to DigitalOcean be an option? Or something else? I have been
>personally very happy with iwstack.com operated by an Italian company
>Prometeus with 17 years of hosting experience (see their server with 16 GB
>RAM, 12 vCPU for ?69 / month) -- but even a nice dedicated server can be a
>good idea (online.net is one of the many low-cost options, so far I have
>been pleased with cost/benefit and their support).
>
>If finding decent hosting with low budget is important, I recommend
>checking out lowendbox.com and lowendtalk.com -- while most of the offers
>won't satisfy either performance requirements or reliability requirements,
>you will find many pointers to companies that might. I'm personally
>running
>about 20 Linux servers right now, many of them bought as deals at
>lowendbox
>/ lowendtalk.
>
>Just my two cents... :-)
>Jan
>
>On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 4:40 PM, Manish Dangol <dangol.manish at gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>> May be we can add some data classes in the internet/event where we can
>> raise some money may be not big enough but might get some resources.
>>
>> Regards
>> Manish Dangol
>>
>> On 24 September 2014 17:46, Tryggvi Bj?rgvinsson <
>> tryggvi.bjorgvinsson at okfn.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Jan,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the quick response.
>>>
>>> I've updated the budget spreadsheet which Anders linked to in his email
>>> from June (which I quoted in my last email):
>>>
>>>
>>>https://docs.google.com/a/okfn.org/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvdkMlz2NopEdHhp
>>>UExMQWVTcmJVVWl1VWlwX05QWXc&usp=drive_web#gid=0
>>>
>>> I added a comment to the "Server costs" cell with what we're running
>>>now
>>> (or will be running on Tuesday).
>>>
>>> /Tryggvi
>>>
>>>
>>> On mi? 24.sep 2014 10:26, Jan Gondol wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello, what are the HW requirements for hosting? (Amount of data
>>> stored, current number of nodes + estimated RAM needed on each node,
>>> monthly bandwidth, peak traffic, CPU,...)
>>> Jan
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Tryggvi Bj?rgvinsson <
>>> tryggvi.bjorgvinsson at okfn.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi again,
>>>>
>>>> (Sorry for cross-posting)
>>>>
>>>> As I mentioned in my previous email OpenSpending does not have a
>>>>revenue
>>>> source to pay for the hosting costs (and Open Knowledge has been very
>>>>kind
>>>> to help us out on that front).
>>>>
>>>> We have been looking into getting sponsored hosting for OpenSpending
>>>> because the server cost is the biggest cost of the project.
>>>>Irrespective of
>>>> sponsored hosting or not, I think OpenSpending could benefit from not
>>>>being
>>>> "broke" so I wanted to start a discussion with you (the community) to
>>>>see
>>>> if you have any ideas for how we can get some sort of money into the
>>>> project.
>>>>
>>>> The last thing I would want to do is charge users for hosting data on
>>>> OpenSpending. I just think it feels weird to charge people who want
>>>>to help
>>>> increase government transparency. Another thing I'd like to avoid is
>>>> removing functionality of the OpenSpending platform just because they
>>>>can
>>>> be expensive to do.
>>>>
>>>> But we do need to somehow connect money coming in with money going out
>>>> (as more datasets are created the costs of storing/processing them
>>>>goes up)
>>>> so ideas where increasing costs are covered by some sort of increasing
>>>> revenue are preferable but at this moment, anything is better than
>>>>nothing,
>>>> so all ideas are welcomed :-)
>>>>
>>>> I'm just thinking about brainstorming now. We can look into how viable
>>>> the ideas are later.
>>>>
>>>> Do you have any ideas?
>>>>
>>>> /Tryggvi
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> openspending mailing list
>>>> openspending at lists.okfn.org
>>>> https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/openspending
>>>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/options/openspending
>>>>
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>>
>> *Yours SincerelyManish Dangol*
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