[OpenSpending] openspending Digest, Vol 57, Issue 5
Friedrich Lindenberg
friedrich at pudo.org
Wed Sep 24 18:25:05 UTC 2014
While I can’t (any more) answer your question about web stats, my first suspect for “big infrastructure, not used that much” would be the full-text search index of the system: it’s a fairly massive solr index that could be disabled, losing only a small part of the overall platform functionality.
- Friedrich
On 24 Sep 2014, at 10:20, Tony.Hirst <tony.hirst at open.ac.uk> wrote:
> Do you run the webstats on how openspending is being used? Are there any
> bits of functionality that are expensive in resource but rarely used in
> practice? That might include responsiveness - if for example folk are more
> likely to download data than try to work with it onsite?
>
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>> 1. Re: Independently keeping the lights on: Ideas?
>> (Tryggvi Bj?rgvinsson)
>> 2. Re: Independently keeping the lights on: Ideas? (Manish Dangol)
>> 3. Re: Independently keeping the lights on: Ideas? (Jan Gondol)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 12:01:05 +0000
>> From: Tryggvi Bj?rgvinsson <tryggvi.bjorgvinsson at okfn.org>
>> To: openspending at lists.okfn.org
>> Subject: Re: [OpenSpending] Independently keeping the lights on:
>> Ideas?
>> Message-ID: <5422B281.10105 at okfn.org>
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>> Hey Jan,
>>
>> Thanks for the quick response.
>>
>> I've updated the budget spreadsheet which Anders linked to in his email
>> from June (which I quoted in my last email):
>> https://docs.google.com/a/okfn.org/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvdkMlz2NopEdHhpUE
>> xMQWVTcmJVVWl1VWlwX05QWXc&usp=drive_web#gid=0
>>
>> I added a comment to the "Server costs" cell with what we're running now
>> (or will be running on Tuesday).
>>
>> /Tryggvi
>>
>> On mi? 24.sep 2014 10:26, Jan Gondol wrote:
>>> Hello, what are the HW requirements for hosting? (Amount of data
>>> stored, current number of nodes + estimated RAM needed on each node,
>>> monthly bandwidth, peak traffic, CPU,...)
>>> Jan
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Tryggvi Bj?rgvinsson
>>> <tryggvi.bjorgvinsson at okfn.org <mailto:tryggvi.bjorgvinsson at okfn.org>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi again,
>>>
>>> (Sorry for cross-posting)
>>>
>>> As I mentioned in my previous email OpenSpending does not have a
>>> revenue source to pay for the hosting costs (and Open Knowledge
>>> has been very kind to help us out on that front).
>>>
>>> We have been looking into getting sponsored hosting for
>>> OpenSpending because the server cost is the biggest cost of the
>>> project. Irrespective of sponsored hosting or not, I think
>>> OpenSpending could benefit from not being "broke" so I wanted to
>>> start a discussion with you (the community) to see if you have any
>>> ideas for how we can get some sort of money into the project.
>>>
>>> The last thing I would want to do is charge users for hosting data
>>> on OpenSpending. I just think it feels weird to charge people who
>>> want to help increase government transparency. Another thing I'd
>>> like to avoid is removing functionality of the OpenSpending
>>> platform just because they can be expensive to do.
>>>
>>> But we do need to somehow connect money coming in with money going
>>> out (as more datasets are created the costs of storing/processing
>>> them goes up) so ideas where increasing costs are covered by some
>>> sort of increasing revenue are preferable but at this moment,
>>> anything is better than nothing, so all ideas are welcomed :-)
>>>
>>> I'm just thinking about brainstorming now. We can look into how
>>> viable the ideas are later.
>>>
>>> Do you have any ideas?
>>>
>>> /Tryggvi
>>>
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>> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 20:25:18 +0545
>> From: Manish Dangol <dangol.manish at gmail.com>
>> To: OpenSpending Discussion List <openspending at lists.okfn.org>
>> Subject: Re: [OpenSpending] Independently keeping the lights on:
>> Ideas?
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>> Hello,
>> May be we can add some data classes in the internet/event where we can
>> raise some money may be not big enough but might get some resources.
>>
>> Regards
>> Manish Dangol
>>
>> On 24 September 2014 17:46, Tryggvi Bj?rgvinsson <
>> tryggvi.bjorgvinsson at okfn.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Jan,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the quick response.
>>>
>>> I've updated the budget spreadsheet which Anders linked to in his email
>>> from June (which I quoted in my last email):
>>>
>>>
>>> https://docs.google.com/a/okfn.org/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvdkMlz2NopEdHhpU
>>> ExMQWVTcmJVVWl1VWlwX05QWXc&usp=drive_web#gid=0
>>>
>>> I added a comment to the "Server costs" cell with what we're running now
>>> (or will be running on Tuesday).
>>>
>>> /Tryggvi
>>>
>>>
>>> On mi? 24.sep 2014 10:26, Jan Gondol wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello, what are the HW requirements for hosting? (Amount of data
>>> stored,
>>> current number of nodes + estimated RAM needed on each node, monthly
>>> bandwidth, peak traffic, CPU,...)
>>> Jan
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Tryggvi Bj?rgvinsson <
>>> tryggvi.bjorgvinsson at okfn.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi again,
>>>>
>>>> (Sorry for cross-posting)
>>>>
>>>> As I mentioned in my previous email OpenSpending does not have a
>>>> revenue
>>>> source to pay for the hosting costs (and Open Knowledge has been very
>>>> kind
>>>> to help us out on that front).
>>>>
>>>> We have been looking into getting sponsored hosting for OpenSpending
>>>> because the server cost is the biggest cost of the project.
>>>> Irrespective of
>>>> sponsored hosting or not, I think OpenSpending could benefit from not
>>>> being
>>>> "broke" so I wanted to start a discussion with you (the community) to
>>>> see
>>>> if you have any ideas for how we can get some sort of money into the
>>>> project.
>>>>
>>>> The last thing I would want to do is charge users for hosting data on
>>>> OpenSpending. I just think it feels weird to charge people who want to
>>>> help
>>>> increase government transparency. Another thing I'd like to avoid is
>>>> removing functionality of the OpenSpending platform just because they
>>>> can
>>>> be expensive to do.
>>>>
>>>> But we do need to somehow connect money coming in with money going out
>>>> (as more datasets are created the costs of storing/processing them
>>>> goes up)
>>>> so ideas where increasing costs are covered by some sort of increasing
>>>> revenue are preferable but at this moment, anything is better than
>>>> nothing,
>>>> so all ideas are welcomed :-)
>>>>
>>>> I'm just thinking about brainstorming now. We can look into how viable
>>>> the ideas are later.
>>>>
>>>> Do you have any ideas?
>>>>
>>>> /Tryggvi
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> openspending mailing list
>>>> openspending at lists.okfn.org
>>>> https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/openspending
>>>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/options/openspending
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>> *Yours SincerelyManish Dangol*
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>> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 18:43:27 +0200
>> From: Jan Gondol <gondol at gondol.sk>
>> To: OpenSpending Discussion List <openspending at lists.okfn.org>
>> Subject: Re: [OpenSpending] Independently keeping the lights on:
>> Ideas?
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>> Hi,
>>
>> Thanks for writing back. From my perspective, AWS is great when you need
>> to
>> quickly scale up or down. For 24/7 usage, especially if there are no
>> massive peaks, it's significantly cheaper to use statically allocated
>> resources (dedicated servers or virtual private servers).
>>
>> Would moving to DigitalOcean be an option? Or something else? I have been
>> personally very happy with iwstack.com operated by an Italian company
>> Prometeus with 17 years of hosting experience (see their server with 16 GB
>> RAM, 12 vCPU for ?69 / month) -- but even a nice dedicated server can be a
>> good idea (online.net is one of the many low-cost options, so far I have
>> been pleased with cost/benefit and their support).
>>
>> If finding decent hosting with low budget is important, I recommend
>> checking out lowendbox.com and lowendtalk.com -- while most of the offers
>> won't satisfy either performance requirements or reliability requirements,
>> you will find many pointers to companies that might. I'm personally
>> running
>> about 20 Linux servers right now, many of them bought as deals at
>> lowendbox
>> / lowendtalk.
>>
>> Just my two cents... :-)
>> Jan
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 4:40 PM, Manish Dangol <dangol.manish at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>> May be we can add some data classes in the internet/event where we can
>>> raise some money may be not big enough but might get some resources.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Manish Dangol
>>>
>>> On 24 September 2014 17:46, Tryggvi Bj?rgvinsson <
>>> tryggvi.bjorgvinsson at okfn.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey Jan,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the quick response.
>>>>
>>>> I've updated the budget spreadsheet which Anders linked to in his email
>>>> from June (which I quoted in my last email):
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://docs.google.com/a/okfn.org/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvdkMlz2NopEdHhp
>>>> UExMQWVTcmJVVWl1VWlwX05QWXc&usp=drive_web#gid=0
>>>>
>>>> I added a comment to the "Server costs" cell with what we're running
>>>> now
>>>> (or will be running on Tuesday).
>>>>
>>>> /Tryggvi
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On mi? 24.sep 2014 10:26, Jan Gondol wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello, what are the HW requirements for hosting? (Amount of data
>>>> stored, current number of nodes + estimated RAM needed on each node,
>>>> monthly bandwidth, peak traffic, CPU,...)
>>>> Jan
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Tryggvi Bj?rgvinsson <
>>>> tryggvi.bjorgvinsson at okfn.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi again,
>>>>>
>>>>> (Sorry for cross-posting)
>>>>>
>>>>> As I mentioned in my previous email OpenSpending does not have a
>>>>> revenue
>>>>> source to pay for the hosting costs (and Open Knowledge has been very
>>>>> kind
>>>>> to help us out on that front).
>>>>>
>>>>> We have been looking into getting sponsored hosting for OpenSpending
>>>>> because the server cost is the biggest cost of the project.
>>>>> Irrespective of
>>>>> sponsored hosting or not, I think OpenSpending could benefit from not
>>>>> being
>>>>> "broke" so I wanted to start a discussion with you (the community) to
>>>>> see
>>>>> if you have any ideas for how we can get some sort of money into the
>>>>> project.
>>>>>
>>>>> The last thing I would want to do is charge users for hosting data on
>>>>> OpenSpending. I just think it feels weird to charge people who want
>>>>> to help
>>>>> increase government transparency. Another thing I'd like to avoid is
>>>>> removing functionality of the OpenSpending platform just because they
>>>>> can
>>>>> be expensive to do.
>>>>>
>>>>> But we do need to somehow connect money coming in with money going out
>>>>> (as more datasets are created the costs of storing/processing them
>>>>> goes up)
>>>>> so ideas where increasing costs are covered by some sort of increasing
>>>>> revenue are preferable but at this moment, anything is better than
>>>>> nothing,
>>>>> so all ideas are welcomed :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm just thinking about brainstorming now. We can look into how viable
>>>>> the ideas are later.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you have any ideas?
>>>>>
>>>>> /Tryggvi
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> openspending mailing list
>>>>> openspending at lists.okfn.org
>>>>> https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/openspending
>>>>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/options/openspending
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>>>
>>>
>>> *Yours SincerelyManish Dangol*
>>>
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