[OpenSpending] openspending Digest, Vol 57, Issue 5

Friedrich Lindenberg friedrich at pudo.org
Wed Sep 24 18:25:05 UTC 2014


While I can’t (any more) answer your question about web stats, my first suspect for “big infrastructure, not used that much” would be the full-text search index of the system: it’s a fairly massive solr index that could be disabled, losing only a small part of the overall platform functionality. 

- Friedrich 

On 24 Sep 2014, at 10:20, Tony.Hirst <tony.hirst at open.ac.uk> wrote:

> Do you run the webstats on how openspending is being used? Are there any
> bits of functionality that are expensive in resource but rarely used in
> practice? That might include responsiveness - if for example folk are more
> likely to download data than try to work with it onsite?
> 
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> On 24/09/2014 17:44, "openspending-request at lists.okfn.org"
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>> Today's Topics:
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>>  1. Re: Independently keeping the lights on: Ideas?
>>     (Tryggvi Bj?rgvinsson)
>>  2. Re: Independently keeping the lights on: Ideas? (Manish Dangol)
>>  3. Re: Independently keeping the lights on: Ideas? (Jan Gondol)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 12:01:05 +0000
>> From: Tryggvi Bj?rgvinsson <tryggvi.bjorgvinsson at okfn.org>
>> To: openspending at lists.okfn.org
>> Subject: Re: [OpenSpending] Independently keeping the lights on:
>>      Ideas?
>> Message-ID: <5422B281.10105 at okfn.org>
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>> Hey Jan,
>> 
>> Thanks for the quick response.
>> 
>> I've updated the budget spreadsheet which Anders linked to in his email
>> from June (which I quoted in my last email):
>> https://docs.google.com/a/okfn.org/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvdkMlz2NopEdHhpUE
>> xMQWVTcmJVVWl1VWlwX05QWXc&usp=drive_web#gid=0
>> 
>> I added a comment to the "Server costs" cell with what we're running now
>> (or will be running on Tuesday).
>> 
>> /Tryggvi
>> 
>> On mi? 24.sep 2014 10:26, Jan Gondol wrote:
>>> Hello, what are the HW requirements for hosting? (Amount of data
>>> stored, current number of nodes + estimated RAM needed on each node,
>>> monthly bandwidth, peak traffic, CPU,...)
>>> Jan
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Tryggvi Bj?rgvinsson
>>> <tryggvi.bjorgvinsson at okfn.org <mailto:tryggvi.bjorgvinsson at okfn.org>>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>    Hi again,
>>> 
>>>    (Sorry for cross-posting)
>>> 
>>>    As I mentioned in my previous email OpenSpending does not have a
>>>    revenue source to pay for the hosting costs (and Open Knowledge
>>>    has been very kind to help us out on that front).
>>> 
>>>    We have been looking into getting sponsored hosting for
>>>    OpenSpending because the server cost is the biggest cost of the
>>>    project. Irrespective of sponsored hosting or not, I think
>>>    OpenSpending could benefit from not being "broke" so I wanted to
>>>    start a discussion with you (the community) to see if you have any
>>>    ideas for how we can get some sort of money into the project.
>>> 
>>>    The last thing I would want to do is charge users for hosting data
>>>    on OpenSpending. I just think it feels weird to charge people who
>>>    want to help increase government transparency. Another thing I'd
>>>    like to avoid is removing functionality of the OpenSpending
>>>    platform just because they can be expensive to do.
>>> 
>>>    But we do need to somehow connect money coming in with money going
>>>    out (as more datasets are created the costs of storing/processing
>>>    them goes up) so ideas where increasing costs are covered by some
>>>    sort of increasing revenue are preferable but at this moment,
>>>    anything is better than nothing, so all ideas are welcomed :-)
>>> 
>>>    I'm just thinking about brainstorming now. We can look into how
>>>    viable the ideas are later.
>>> 
>>>    Do you have any ideas?
>>> 
>>>    /Tryggvi
>>> 
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>> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 20:25:18 +0545
>> From: Manish Dangol <dangol.manish at gmail.com>
>> To: OpenSpending Discussion List <openspending at lists.okfn.org>
>> Subject: Re: [OpenSpending] Independently keeping the lights on:
>>      Ideas?
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>> Hello,
>> May be we can add some data classes in the internet/event where we can
>> raise some money may be not big enough but might get some resources.
>> 
>> Regards
>> Manish Dangol
>> 
>> On 24 September 2014 17:46, Tryggvi Bj?rgvinsson <
>> tryggvi.bjorgvinsson at okfn.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey Jan,
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the quick response.
>>> 
>>> I've updated the budget spreadsheet which Anders linked to in his email
>>> from June (which I quoted in my last email):
>>> 
>>> 
>>> https://docs.google.com/a/okfn.org/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvdkMlz2NopEdHhpU
>>> ExMQWVTcmJVVWl1VWlwX05QWXc&usp=drive_web#gid=0
>>> 
>>> I added a comment to the "Server costs" cell with what we're running now
>>> (or will be running on Tuesday).
>>> 
>>> /Tryggvi
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On mi? 24.sep 2014 10:26, Jan Gondol wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello, what are the HW requirements for hosting? (Amount of data
>>> stored,
>>> current number of nodes + estimated RAM needed on each node, monthly
>>> bandwidth, peak traffic, CPU,...)
>>> Jan
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Tryggvi Bj?rgvinsson <
>>> tryggvi.bjorgvinsson at okfn.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi again,
>>>> 
>>>> (Sorry for cross-posting)
>>>> 
>>>> As I mentioned in my previous email OpenSpending does not have a
>>>> revenue
>>>> source to pay for the hosting costs (and Open Knowledge has been very
>>>> kind
>>>> to help us out on that front).
>>>> 
>>>> We have been looking into getting sponsored hosting for OpenSpending
>>>> because the server cost is the biggest cost of the project.
>>>> Irrespective of
>>>> sponsored hosting or not, I think OpenSpending could benefit from not
>>>> being
>>>> "broke" so I wanted to start a discussion with you (the community) to
>>>> see
>>>> if you have any ideas for how we can get some sort of money into the
>>>> project.
>>>> 
>>>> The last thing I would want to do is charge users for hosting data on
>>>> OpenSpending. I just think it feels weird to charge people who want to
>>>> help
>>>> increase government transparency. Another thing I'd like to avoid is
>>>> removing functionality of the OpenSpending platform just because they
>>>> can
>>>> be expensive to do.
>>>> 
>>>> But we do need to somehow connect money coming in with money going out
>>>> (as more datasets are created the costs of storing/processing them
>>>> goes up)
>>>> so ideas where increasing costs are covered by some sort of increasing
>>>> revenue are preferable but at this moment, anything is better than
>>>> nothing,
>>>> so all ideas are welcomed :-)
>>>> 
>>>> I'm just thinking about brainstorming now. We can look into how viable
>>>> the ideas are later.
>>>> 
>>>> Do you have any ideas?
>>>> 
>>>> /Tryggvi
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> openspending mailing list
>>>> openspending at lists.okfn.org
>>>> https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/openspending
>>>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/options/openspending
>>>> 
>>> 
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>> *Yours SincerelyManish Dangol*
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>> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 18:43:27 +0200
>> From: Jan Gondol <gondol at gondol.sk>
>> To: OpenSpending Discussion List <openspending at lists.okfn.org>
>> Subject: Re: [OpenSpending] Independently keeping the lights on:
>>      Ideas?
>> Message-ID:
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>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Thanks for writing back. From my perspective, AWS is great when you need
>> to
>> quickly scale up or down. For 24/7 usage, especially if there are no
>> massive peaks, it's significantly cheaper to use statically allocated
>> resources (dedicated servers or virtual private servers).
>> 
>> Would moving to DigitalOcean be an option? Or something else? I have been
>> personally very happy with iwstack.com operated by an Italian company
>> Prometeus with 17 years of hosting experience (see their server with 16 GB
>> RAM, 12 vCPU for ?69 / month) -- but even a nice dedicated server can be a
>> good idea (online.net is one of the many low-cost options, so far I have
>> been pleased with cost/benefit and their support).
>> 
>> If finding decent hosting with low budget is important, I recommend
>> checking out lowendbox.com and lowendtalk.com -- while most of the offers
>> won't satisfy either performance requirements or reliability requirements,
>> you will find many pointers to companies that might. I'm personally
>> running
>> about 20 Linux servers right now, many of them bought as deals at
>> lowendbox
>> / lowendtalk.
>> 
>> Just my two cents... :-)
>> Jan
>> 
>> On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 4:40 PM, Manish Dangol <dangol.manish at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> May be we can add some data classes in the internet/event where we can
>>> raise some money may be not big enough but might get some resources.
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> Manish Dangol
>>> 
>>> On 24 September 2014 17:46, Tryggvi Bj?rgvinsson <
>>> tryggvi.bjorgvinsson at okfn.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hey Jan,
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for the quick response.
>>>> 
>>>> I've updated the budget spreadsheet which Anders linked to in his email
>>>> from June (which I quoted in my last email):
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> https://docs.google.com/a/okfn.org/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvdkMlz2NopEdHhp
>>>> UExMQWVTcmJVVWl1VWlwX05QWXc&usp=drive_web#gid=0
>>>> 
>>>> I added a comment to the "Server costs" cell with what we're running
>>>> now
>>>> (or will be running on Tuesday).
>>>> 
>>>> /Tryggvi
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On mi? 24.sep 2014 10:26, Jan Gondol wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello, what are the HW requirements for hosting? (Amount of data
>>>> stored, current number of nodes + estimated RAM needed on each node,
>>>> monthly bandwidth, peak traffic, CPU,...)
>>>> Jan
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Tryggvi Bj?rgvinsson <
>>>> tryggvi.bjorgvinsson at okfn.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi again,
>>>>> 
>>>>> (Sorry for cross-posting)
>>>>> 
>>>>> As I mentioned in my previous email OpenSpending does not have a
>>>>> revenue
>>>>> source to pay for the hosting costs (and Open Knowledge has been very
>>>>> kind
>>>>> to help us out on that front).
>>>>> 
>>>>> We have been looking into getting sponsored hosting for OpenSpending
>>>>> because the server cost is the biggest cost of the project.
>>>>> Irrespective of
>>>>> sponsored hosting or not, I think OpenSpending could benefit from not
>>>>> being
>>>>> "broke" so I wanted to start a discussion with you (the community) to
>>>>> see
>>>>> if you have any ideas for how we can get some sort of money into the
>>>>> project.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The last thing I would want to do is charge users for hosting data on
>>>>> OpenSpending. I just think it feels weird to charge people who want
>>>>> to help
>>>>> increase government transparency. Another thing I'd like to avoid is
>>>>> removing functionality of the OpenSpending platform just because they
>>>>> can
>>>>> be expensive to do.
>>>>> 
>>>>> But we do need to somehow connect money coming in with money going out
>>>>> (as more datasets are created the costs of storing/processing them
>>>>> goes up)
>>>>> so ideas where increasing costs are covered by some sort of increasing
>>>>> revenue are preferable but at this moment, anything is better than
>>>>> nothing,
>>>>> so all ideas are welcomed :-)
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm just thinking about brainstorming now. We can look into how viable
>>>>> the ideas are later.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Do you have any ideas?
>>>>> 
>>>>> /Tryggvi
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> openspending mailing list
>>>>> openspending at lists.okfn.org
>>>>> https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/openspending
>>>>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/options/openspending
>>>>> 
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>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> *Yours SincerelyManish Dangol*
>>> 
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