[wsfii-discuss] Re: wsfii-discuss Digest, Vol 8, Issue 6

Wed Oct 5 15:33:44 UTC 2005

Saul
Quick possible answer to the gentrification question,
suggested to Jo in a private discussion is to get
together some kind of LLP and start 'greening' a bit
of the surrounding property before the speculators
move seriously..I actually have to move to a smaller
place sooner or later so I might be an active investor
in something like that..best regards Hugh

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>    1. Re: Worldchanging article on Complementary
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>    2. Re: Worldchanging article on Complementary
> currencies
>       (Paul Sanders)
>    3. Re: Edited Ronja audio stream (Karel Kulhavy)
>    4. Re: Fwd: [Fsf-press] Software Freedom Day
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 00:47:55 -0700
> From: Jo Walsh <jo at frot.org>
> Subject: Re: [wsfii-discuss] Worldchanging article
> on Complementary
> 	currencies
> To: Discuss list on the World Summit on Free
> Information
> 	Infrastructure	<wsfii-discuss at lists.okfn.org>
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> On Wed, Oct 05, 2005 at 03:28:54AM +0200, Harm
> Luebben wrote:
> > A money sytem defined by a currency, may it be the
> Lime, Pound, Euro,
> > etc. should not make a difference.
> 
> Saul's choice phrase in this context is "cvs commit
> for cultural
> activity" (or should that be svn commit really). In
> this sense the
> currency provides an accounting for the exchange or
> flow of value;
> something that in the art economy is often distorted
> or hidden.
> Perhaps this is part of the new science of
> protecting everything by
> labelling it. 
> 
> Hugh's spoken in the past of the many
> 'non-financial' values or
> perhaps messages carried by money. My favourite
> thing about the Lime
> was as an isolatable subsystem one could perceive
> the activity within it
> more clearly. It made the accounting process between
> the organisers
> *much* more straightforward. The Lime made some
> local food retail 
> establishments very happy to know that they knew us.
> 
> 
> > Adding an interest rate to a worth described in
> 'money' (which never
> > runs out of style, has no costs for storage, etc.)
> should result in a
> > exponential growth of where the money is, and a
> loss where it is not.
> 
> i know some systems (like the 'T' in
> livingdirectory.net) have
> negative interest or depreciation on 'savings' (i
> wonder if this
> implies or should imply depreciation on 'debt'); the
> aim is to
> encourage flow. 
> 
> i tried to invent a traffic congestion charging
> scheme based on p2p
> value exchange but i am not sure that it would not
> actively encourage 
> people to become congested in the hope of making a
> small profit:
> http://frot.org/bus/wiki.cgi?TheMachineJams
> 
> 
> -jo
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 10:52:36 +0100
> From: Paul Sanders <paul at state51.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [wsfii-discuss] Worldchanging article
> on Complementary
> 	currencies
> To: Discuss list on the World Summit on Free
> Information
> 	Infrastructure	<wsfii-discuss at lists.okfn.org>
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> 
> On 5 Oct 2005, at 08:47, Jo Walsh wrote:
> 
> > The Lime made some local food retail
> > establishments very happy to know that they knew
> us.
> 
> This of course is a characteristic of power
> relationships, as much as  
> it is of loving relationships and of the bonds of
> community.
> 
> Jo took pleasure at being able to see what was going
> on more clearly.  
> In my view this is not necessarily a virtue. One of
> our best defences  
> against tyranny is our ability to avoid being seen.
> Freedom is rarely  
> served by excessive monitoring, and the systems for
> monitoring are  
> very easily used to monitor control itself.
> Purposeful inexactitude  
> and ignorance is very hard, however, particularly
> when you are  
> structuring and storing metadata.
> 
> One day I shall compose a pæan to vagueness.
> 
> This is a de-lurking post - I am the caretaker of
> the Knowhere Guide,  
> online since 1994, and at http://www.knowhere.co.uk/
> . It's one of  
> the many ways communities document their
> neighbourhoods. I also work  
> extensively in music metadata. Sadly I had
> commitments last weekend,  
> but I have been following what I could remotely.
> 
> Paul
> state51
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 11:55:29 +0200
> From: Karel Kulhavy <clock at twibright.com>
> Subject: Re: [wsfii-discuss] Edited Ronja audio
> stream
> To: Discuss list on the World Summit on Free
> Information
> 	Infrastructure	<wsfii-discuss at lists.okfn.org>
> Message-ID: <20051005095529.GC26209 at kestrel>
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> On Wed, Oct 05, 2005 at 02:24:21AM +0200, Harm
> Luebben wrote:
> > Karel Kulhavy wrote:
> > 
> > >I have cropped the Ronja talk, cut off the
> ubiquitous spaces, errr...'s,
> > >  
> > >
> > my shouts out to Antonio who spent the days behind
> the recording box,
> > controlling volume etc.: hooray!
> > 
> > ..and my recommendation to following summits:
> pals, 
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