[wsfii-discuss] disasters and telecom

Sun Oct 16 12:42:49 UTC 2005

On Sun, Oct 16, 2005 at 12:41:27AM +0100, Saul Albert wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 15, 2005 at 06:02:02PM +0100, vortex wrote:
> > 
> > and all your .... will help  
> > human suffering how?
> 
> Hi vortex,
> 
> It's a good question, for any occasion! :) I was wondering about that
> too: how do the dream systems that the people who came to limehouse
> actually impact on the people passing by on the A13 in their cars, in
> Limehouse area generally, in Greater London - or anywhere in the very
> different places that people have been and travelled from to get there.
> 
> I realy have no idea - but Keith Hart had some interesting ones. He spoke
> on the Open Money panel (which I think was by far the most politically
> radical, which perhaps had something to do with it also having the
> greatest mean age of any of the panels :) - 
> 
> http://nodel.org/wsfii/wsfii-day2-audio/13CommunityCurrencies.mp3
> 
> His opinion, which I think is in line with many astute observers of
> political / economic / ecological trends, is that the world is going to
> hell in a handbag, and pretty soon life is going to get harder for
> everyone and we all get really poor, really fast.
> 
> I guess that will be when we find out how the relationships, techniques,
> technologies, and dream systems we've built give us the ability to
> co-operate on a really large scale, as clock is suggesting.
> 
> I guess I find this pretty scary and disheartening in the long term, but
> in the short term it's a great excuse to keep amusing myself by playing
> with cool stuff!

I don't - if you are good in UCT, you are able to live in a radioactive
wasteland or broken down society anyway, because
1) you can build anything from the trash around, and
2) you are skilled in something really useful (and not some artificial
social construct problems like stock market operations) and the
desperate people around you need the technology you create, so it's in
their best survival interest to protect you from being killed, or dying
from disease or famine :)

Once I came home and there was a dropout of electric grid so I couldn't
find way from entrance to my bed so I went back to cellar and unmounted
my bike light which had accumulators charged during the ride from
accumulators and went back up and shined with my independent energy :)

If you run flashlight on battery or candle, batteries discharge and
candles run out, but bike alternator and rechargeables work almost
forever :)

I have still planes for UCT bike lighting and UCT PC water cooling
but unless something changes I won't be able to publish them because
just writing the guides takes too much time and I even don't have
enough time to develop Ronja.

PC water cooling is good if you want to run a PC in tropic heat.

CL<