[wsfii-discuss] Some thoughts about tonight meeting in London

Fri Sep 29 11:30:17 UTC 2006

Hi Ramon,

Great plan to meet in Spain next year. And yes, these are the issues we
should coninue to develop. 

I will be there!

JuergeN

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> [mailto:wsfii-discuss-bounces at lists.okfn.org] On Behalf Of Ramon Roca
> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 2:00 AM
> To: wsfii-discuss at lists.okfn.org
> Subject: [wsfii-discuss] Some thoughts about tonight meeting in London
> 
> 
> I'm in the train back to Reading after having a meeting with a few 
> people from London (free2air.net, spontaneous networking, 
> consume...). I 
> don't mention names just because I don't remember some of them! :(
> 
> That was a heavy and interesting discussion for me, with 
> people who are 
> almost dinosaurs (in the good sense, I mean, since the origins of the 
> wireless comms paradigm) in the activism for the free networks.I just 
> want a share my thoughts trying to obtain a summary emphasizing the 
> relevant points we have talk about before falling to sleep.
> 
> -To make somewhat global happens, a lots of things must occur 
> simultaneously in many areas, starting from people, knowledge, 
> resources, etc. That's not a short term task. Also not affordable to 
> anyone individually and even for a Local Community. But still makes 
> sense and could happens. Maybe not as fast as we would like, 
> but steps 
> forward are being done.
> 
> -WSFII is right now the place to share globally thoughts 
> (like this) and 
> also projects/ideas/experiences. If we miss a place to get in 
> touch, we 
> do simply does not exist as a global initiative, and it fits 
> perfectly 
> in the WSFII spirit. If the list gets too much traffic maybe 
> then will 
> makes sense to fork between other lists, i.e. for technical 
> development, 
> users, politics, whatever which makes sense, but not before 
> this becomes 
> necessary, don't care: very likely will happens spontaneously 
> if really 
> becomes a need.
> 
> -After Dharmsala event, could be nice to have one in Europe. 
> Lots of us 
> will miss Dharmsala because of the logistics that Dharmsala implies. 
> Barcelona area could be a good place: We already run annually a local 
> event for Catalonia (we cal it SAX), we can just "upgrade" it to be a 
> WSFII event. Spain also might be a good place to plan a 
> travel for many 
> Europeans if we do schedule it for the early next summer.
> 
> -Trust relationships and honest unfortunately are still very basic. 
> Things like WSFII events, Wizards of WOS, Summer Camps etc. 
> helps a lot 
> but the story doesn't have to end there. Open discussions are another 
> key. Lastly but not last, free/neutral networking concept 
> might have a 
> few variations, but still makes sense to get some consensus 
> of which are 
> the basics, PPA and WCL might no be very friendly but helps on that 
> direction, without such things, we are always in danger to be 
> spoiled by 
> somebody with some lack of ethics and happy to bring 
> confusion into the 
> field. There are already a few examples of that which I don't like to 
> mention just to avoid to bring them more free into the crawlers for 
> free. Those are just distinct stories.
> 
> -Sharing mechanisms, publishing information and solutions, self 
> discovery of services, etc have been the most discussed topics. Those 
> things are critical to make free networks a exists, survive 
> and scale, 
> which means gain momentum and build success. We have to be 
> always hungry 
> in those directions, never happy enough. They are key since we will 
> never have enough resources, so it's important to be inspired while 
> administrating them. That also means although we can discuss 
> many ideas 
> and visions, we can't never miss the real world and be somewhat 
> pragmatic. Execution counts a lot, everybody executes what 
> they like or 
> is motivated for, as long as we are able to share every single/small 
> execution, either for sharing as a common brick, or to make 
> it reusable 
> elsewhere, that will help us in building the big thing.
> 
> And some of the bricks could be:
> -Standards for network description in some universal interfaces, 
> regardless of language/cultural barriers. That could be done 
> in various 
> ways, like XML. Before today I was referring to this concept by 
> "nodexchange", Alexei pointed that might be better understood 
> if we call 
> it "CML" (Community Markup Language), which means the ability to 
> describe a whole networks with all its contents.
> -Global mapping resources.
> -Services which might be self announced into the network 
> without having 
> to be provisioned by any application.
> 
> 
> Ok. The train got into Reading. It's 00:10am already, not 
> that bad given 
> that stopped for a while (I though that British Railways 
> where near to 
> perfect, maybe I was not lucky today and I've got the exception). Now 
> it's time to go to sleep, I'll have a hard job tomorrow... 
> but lets post 
> this, and feel free to reply either to better summarize concepts or 
> point anything that I might missed. I'm just going a send 
> this as soon 
> as I get connected at the Hotel, so expect a few typos/missed 
> points here.
> 
> Ramon.-
> 
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