[wsfii-discuss] Some thoughts about tonight meeting in London

Fri Sep 29 17:54:47 UTC 2006

xD. I'm back at home. Just spoke with Gil. Seems the people here is 
happy with the idea of hosting a WSFII. We're going to start engines 
then for it.
Also I'm "post-processing" all ideas... trying to bring them some order. 
I'll be soon back sharing with my roadmaps, let's hope that they help in 
synergies with others! ;)

Ramon.

En/na Juergen Neumann ha escrit:
> Hi Ramon,
>
> Great plan to meet in Spain next year. And yes, these are the issues we
> should coninue to develop. 
>
> I will be there!
>
> JuergeN
>
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: wsfii-discuss-bounces at lists.okfn.org 
>> [mailto:wsfii-discuss-bounces at lists.okfn.org] On Behalf Of Ramon Roca
>> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 2:00 AM
>> To: wsfii-discuss at lists.okfn.org
>> Subject: [wsfii-discuss] Some thoughts about tonight meeting in London
>>
>>
>> I'm in the train back to Reading after having a meeting with a few 
>> people from London (free2air.net, spontaneous networking, 
>> consume...). I 
>> don't mention names just because I don't remember some of them! :(
>>
>> That was a heavy and interesting discussion for me, with 
>> people who are 
>> almost dinosaurs (in the good sense, I mean, since the origins of the 
>> wireless comms paradigm) in the activism for the free networks.I just 
>> want a share my thoughts trying to obtain a summary emphasizing the 
>> relevant points we have talk about before falling to sleep.
>>
>> -To make somewhat global happens, a lots of things must occur 
>> simultaneously in many areas, starting from people, knowledge, 
>> resources, etc. That's not a short term task. Also not affordable to 
>> anyone individually and even for a Local Community. But still makes 
>> sense and could happens. Maybe not as fast as we would like, 
>> but steps 
>> forward are being done.
>>
>> -WSFII is right now the place to share globally thoughts 
>> (like this) and 
>> also projects/ideas/experiences. If we miss a place to get in 
>> touch, we 
>> do simply does not exist as a global initiative, and it fits 
>> perfectly 
>> in the WSFII spirit. If the list gets too much traffic maybe 
>> then will 
>> makes sense to fork between other lists, i.e. for technical 
>> development, 
>> users, politics, whatever which makes sense, but not before 
>> this becomes 
>> necessary, don't care: very likely will happens spontaneously 
>> if really 
>> becomes a need.
>>
>> -After Dharmsala event, could be nice to have one in Europe. 
>> Lots of us 
>> will miss Dharmsala because of the logistics that Dharmsala implies. 
>> Barcelona area could be a good place: We already run annually a local 
>> event for Catalonia (we cal it SAX), we can just "upgrade" it to be a 
>> WSFII event. Spain also might be a good place to plan a 
>> travel for many 
>> Europeans if we do schedule it for the early next summer.
>>
>> -Trust relationships and honest unfortunately are still very basic. 
>> Things like WSFII events, Wizards of WOS, Summer Camps etc. 
>> helps a lot 
>> but the story doesn't have to end there. Open discussions are another 
>> key. Lastly but not last, free/neutral networking concept 
>> might have a 
>> few variations, but still makes sense to get some consensus 
>> of which are 
>> the basics, PPA and WCL might no be very friendly but helps on that 
>> direction, without such things, we are always in danger to be 
>> spoiled by 
>> somebody with some lack of ethics and happy to bring 
>> confusion into the 
>> field. There are already a few examples of that which I don't like to 
>> mention just to avoid to bring them more free into the crawlers for 
>> free. Those are just distinct stories.
>>
>> -Sharing mechanisms, publishing information and solutions, self 
>> discovery of services, etc have been the most discussed topics. Those 
>> things are critical to make free networks a exists, survive 
>> and scale, 
>> which means gain momentum and build success. We have to be 
>> always hungry 
>> in those directions, never happy enough. They are key since we will 
>> never have enough resources, so it's important to be inspired while 
>> administrating them. That also means although we can discuss 
>> many ideas 
>> and visions, we can't never miss the real world and be somewhat 
>> pragmatic. Execution counts a lot, everybody executes what 
>> they like or 
>> is motivated for, as long as we are able to share every single/small 
>> execution, either for sharing as a common brick, or to make 
>> it reusable 
>> elsewhere, that will help us in building the big thing.
>>
>> And some of the bricks could be:
>> -Standards for network description in some universal interfaces, 
>> regardless of language/cultural barriers. That could be done 
>> in various 
>> ways, like XML. Before today I was referring to this concept by 
>> "nodexchange", Alexei pointed that might be better understood 
>> if we call 
>> it "CML" (Community Markup Language), which means the ability to 
>> describe a whole networks with all its contents.
>> -Global mapping resources.
>> -Services which might be self announced into the network 
>> without having 
>> to be provisioned by any application.
>>
>>
>> Ok. The train got into Reading. It's 00:10am already, not 
>> that bad given 
>> that stopped for a while (I though that British Railways 
>> where near to 
>> perfect, maybe I was not lucky today and I've got the exception). Now 
>> it's time to go to sleep, I'll have a hard job tomorrow... 
>> but lets post 
>> this, and feel free to reply either to better summarize concepts or 
>> point anything that I might missed. I'm just going a send 
>> this as soon 
>> as I get connected at the Hotel, so expect a few typos/missed 
>> points here.
>>
>> Ramon.-
>>
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