[wsfii-discuss] RE: Trainerspot Webinars: A Potential tooltospread wsfii ideas to Africa and Developing World

Sun Jul 1 17:26:31 UTC 2007

Vickram you state : My point is that a more integrative application for
learning is necessary
Yet you go on to say: and the integrative apps like netmeeting and so on are
not good enough for the kind of real world learning

Where you are calling them integrative apps. How integrative do you want it?

Asif

http://www.trainerspod.com/CMS
http://www.trainerspod.com/community
http://www.trainerspod.com/info

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-----Original Message-----
From: wsfii-discuss-bounces at lists.okfn.org
[mailto:wsfii-discuss-bounces at lists.okfn.org] On Behalf Of Vickram Crishna
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 11:49 PM
To: Discuss list on the World Summit on Free Information Infrastructure
Subject: RE: [wsfii-discuss] RE: Trainerspot Webinars: A Potential
tooltospread wsfii ideas to Africa and Developing World

--- Jeff Buderer <jeff at onevillagefoundation.org>
wrote:

> Yet in my view it is not so much the technologies themselves but how 
> we use them. So my thought is that the ultimate disruptive technology 
> is the system or process for integrating them as part of a 
> comprehensive ICT4D approach that can be replicated to other regions 
> rapidly.
> 

My point is that a more integrative application for learning is necessary -
all these discrete media, such as email, telephony, videomail etc, and the
integrative apps like netmeeting and so on are not good enough for the kind
of real world learning that should be a reason for pushing the new world
technologies forward in the first place.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: wsfii-discuss-bounces at lists.okfn.org
> [mailto:wsfii-discuss-bounces at lists.okfn.org] On Behalf Of Vickram 
> Crishna
> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:59 AM
> To: Discuss list on the World Summit on Free Information 
> Infrastructure
> Subject: Re: [wsfii-discuss] RE: Trainerspot
> Webinars: A Potential tool
> tospread wsfii ideas to Africa and Developing World
> 
> Aside from Asif's application, some of us have been using Gizmo and 
> Skype for the monthly conference Laura organised. I must admit my own 
> bandwidth limitations have made this a less than enjoyable session for 
> me, and the unreliability of the connection itself makes it hard to 
> actually be sure to attend.
> 
> All the more reason to fervently want broadband for all. And an 
> application that will make it easier to get a grip on - and 
> participate in! - all the different things happening around the world. 
> So far, in my humble opinion, lists, conversations, wikis and 
> conferences don't even begin to make the cut.
> 
> --- jeff buderer <jeff at onevillagefoundation.org>
> wrote:
> 
> > Things seem to have gotten pretty quiet here.
> >  
> > Any volunteers willing to take Asif up on his
> offer?
> >  
> > Anyone a bit curious about Asif and what he does
> and
> > how it might relate
> > to the future of wsfii?
> >  
> > I think this could evolve into real opportunity to put together some 
> > web conferences to better link together our network
> and
> > also be a way to
> > demonstrate how we can effectively use ICT tools without having to 
> > travel to meet someone in person at a conference
> or
> > other physical
> > location.
> >  
> > Jeff
> >  
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: asif.daya at trainerspod.com
> > [mailto:asif.daya at trainerspod.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 7:35 PM
> > To: jeff at onevillagefoundation.org;
> > wsfii-discuss at lists.okfn.org
> > Subject: RE: Trainerspot Webinars: A Potential
> tool
> > to spread wsfii
> > ideas to Africa and Developing World
> >  
> > Jeff:
> > 
> > You can get a detailed info about trainerspod from the links below 
> > and the sublinks below those pages especially the home page and 
> > community page. There are links at the bottom to follow.
> >  
> > Yes, it would be nice to have volunteers put together a webinar.
> >  
> > I too would love feedback on Wi-Max.
> >  
> > I hear sound foundry is pretty good too. But I had someone from 
> > Africa login at 28.8 modem into our Webinar held in the USA. Video 
> > would be an impossibility - but there are options for video
> and
> > showing your desktop
> > or the www. You can try it out at:
> > http://www.vroom.com or
> > http://www.elluminate.com/vroom where you can
> login
> > and invite two other
> > colleagues - you will be the moderator with privileges - but you can 
> > reassign privileges. Try it out for Africa. The person will need to 
> > go
> > to: http://www.elluminate.com/support to see if
> they
> > have the Java
> > modules. You too will have to go there to convert your Powerpoints 
> > to .wbd (whiteboard) format. ENJOY!!!
> >  
> > Asif
> >  
> >  <http://www.trainerspod.com/CMS>
> > http://www.trainerspod.com/CMS
> >  <http://www.trainerspod.com/community>
> > http://www.trainerspod.com/community
> >  <http://www.trainerspod.com/info>
> > http://www.trainerspod.com/info
> > 
> > Please consider the environment before printing
> this
> > message.
> >  
> >  
> >   _____
> > 
> > From: Jeff Buderer
> > [mailto:jeff at onevillagefoundation.org]
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 5:16 PM
> > To: asif.daya at trainerspod.com;
> > wsfii-discuss at lists.okfn.org
> > Subject: RE: Trainerspot Webinars: A Potential
> tool
> > to spread wsfii
> > ideas to Africa and Developing World Asif,
> > 
> > >The train begins in Kenya and moves towards the
> > rural areas whereby
> > medical help is provided. I would like to add ICT help >and 
> > hopefully through the grant get broadband. I would need to hire 
> > locals for the portions of the grant.
> > 
> > Do you have a detailed document about Trainerspod that I could 
> > review?
> > 
> > My thought would be that this could be something that because it is 
> > operational project could be a good foundation for seeking a grant 
> > for the development of a wireless network along the
> rail
> > line that Trainspod
> > operates on. Then networks could expand from the wireless node at 
> > each stop.
> > >If we could encourage speakers on the topics you
> > have recommended below
> > we can discuss how to develop the topic into
> > >something of interest to
> > Africa. Anyone interested please contact me at 
> > asif.daya at trainerspod.com
> > 
> > Yes Regarding the presentation...I am wondering if we could have 
> > some volunteers here to help us put together a presentation for the 
> > Webinar.
> > >Yes I understand it is not just about wireless
> > (although as you know I
> > am interested in Wi-Max to push the country
> forward)
> > >but also about
> > ICT.
> > 
> > I would be interested to hear feedback from some
> of
> > the folks here
> > regardign WiMAX verses 802.11
> > >Yes, I understand the need for exchange of flow
> of
> > information and the
> > problems faced at each end. That is why I choose
> > >Elluminate - it can
> > accept very low bandwidth for communication. I had someone log-in at 
> > 28.8K modem once from Africa!!
> 
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Vickram

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