[wsfii-discuss] ... take the lead - Date selection
Ian Howard
ihoward at netdotworking.com
Thu Jun 14 17:14:09 UTC 2007
All,
Tomas does allude to something important, for the self-organization to
work there needs to be a few minimum specifications.
The most obvious is the date. To select a date, how about we use
meetomatic? I started one here, please add your preferred dates:
http://www.meetomatic.com/respond.php?id=F054CL
To view the results, go here:
http://www.meetomatic.com/responses.php?id=F054CLM2I9L9
As the website is a wiki, we should all be able to edit it.
Ian
Thomas Maketa wrote:
> Ok let's self organize!!!
> But first basic questions to start self organizaing;
> - who has the current ownership of the web site?
> - What is the process for adding new page in a self organizzed way ?
> - If a self organized person inserts in the web information which are
> porographic or un appropriate who is the master self organizing person
> who will reprimand?
> - who will propose the self organized program of the event ?
>
> I think we should balance, let's organize the self-organization, what
> I'm proposing is a first contact person who will be the secretary of
> the self-organized event.
> When someone want to contribute he can lead him in channeling his request.
> When someone self-organize something he can publish it to everybody.
>
> I understand that the term "leader" is not politically correct in open
> source , but we need "SOMEONE" who can coordinate the self
> organization, suggest what can be done , as I have read below.
> And we need that person URGENTLY, maybee he already exists and I dont
> know, if so my apologies.
>
> Till now I dont know who has the responsibility to set the final date,
> who has the physical responsibility (the name) of the web server, who
> can grant access to create content, who will finalize the program of
> the Ghana gathering,.........
>
> I'm getting more and more lost........
>
>
>
> On 6/14/07, *marco* <marco.pompe at web.de <mailto:marco.pompe at web.de>>
> wrote:
>
> hi Gerard
>
> no. i do not agree. i admit you offer the most pragmatic way and i
> guess
> u will agree we may call it "meritocracy". that may suit everybody who
> believes to be meritted. i am realistic enough to see that in abscence
> of alternative structures we once more have to go that "way of the
> minor
> disorder". but i totally agree with Ian in so far: in
> self-organisation
> as a process of real equal rights and solidarity, as a matter of real
> co-operation, we have a great value and a challange to face.
>
> concerning this "someone has to take the lead" i have another comment:
> to lead doesnt automatically means someONE have to do it. i think we
> all should improve in critically reflecting our merits and those of
> others, that we may achieve a process within everybody is leading and
> teaching as she/he is learning according to the added output of
> our all
> best knowledge. this is not a fairy tale, as I experienced that in
> variuos ways ...
>
> you are talking about the future as it is something to preserve.
> we live
> in a world filled up with preservation, precautions, insurance and
> stuff
> - yet we are going to destroy it and fail to stop exploiting,
> oppressing
> and killing each other - how come? maybe its because of the very
> limmited number of persons to contribute in the configuration of
> our world?
>
> greetings, marco, berlin
>
> Fred Pook schrieb:
> > Cheers Gerard!
> > Totally agree with you, and yes I will also take a beer ...
> > maybe self-reflection and communication is all that is needed in our
> > open-source way of working and if that can get some more speed
> by an
> > enlightened lead taking person.. hmm
> > Greets Fred
> >
> >
> > On 6/13/07, Gerard Mourits <gerard at mourits.org
> <mailto:gerard at mourits.org>> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 13:44:54 -0400, "Ian Howard"
> >> <ihoward at netdotworking.com <mailto:ihoward at netdotworking.com>>
> said:
> >> > All,
> >> >
> >> > Not to be a thorn, but I would encourage us not to lose site
> of the
> >> > original ideals of WSFII, that is an open, collaborative and
> >> > self-organizing endeavour, modelled around open source. In that
> >> light, I
> >> > would suggest that we not appoint someone to be in charge,
> but that we
> >> > encourage some individuals to focus their contributions on
> particular
> >> > aspects of this effort. If anything we should certainly focus on
> >> making
> >> > sure that we really encourage some local on the ground people
> to do
> >> > participate more. Leaders in open source pull things together and
> >> > encourage participation of others.
> >> >
> >> Nice words but are they really of this world?
> >> I think Fred meant by his 'putting in charge' that if work is
> to be done
> >> somebody has to take the lead.
> >> If nobody takes the lead and there is nobody 'in charge' then
> where are
> >> we going to.
> >> This don't mean that we need a kind of Hitler to marched in
> front of the
> >> troops.
> >> We would certainly let this happen at all. Bu we need en
> lighted people
> >> that shows us the road ahead.
> >> 'Self-organizing endeavour' come out of books and with books we
> describe
> >> thing that passed.
> >>
> >> > So, to answer Tomas' questions:
> >> >
> >> > So who take the lead? No one, this is a self-organizing effort
> >> And out of this self-organizing effort comes what ? a leader?
> >>
> >> > When do we organize? again, self-organize
> >> And what happens if we got two self-organizing mechanisms?
> >>
> >> > When the first meeting to assess situation, offers and
> plan? there
> >> > should be an effort to encourage contributions and a wide
> call for
> >> input
> >> > and distributed decision making.
> >> At first we need a direction: where are we going ?
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Anyone who knows me will know that this self-organizing
> arrangement is
> >> > not one that came naturally for this ex-soldier, though, I
> believe in
> >> > open source and I believe that if we buy-in to the process of
> >> > self-organization and that we work to optimize collaboration
> that this
> >> > will be something fruitful. Not only will we pull off a meeting,
> >> but we
> >> > will pull off another self-organizing event.
> >> The problem is with self-organizing communities that there has
> to be
> >> someone to point out to this direction (and take the lead).
> >> It is not "if this" or "if that". It is "and this" "and that"
> and work
> >> together on multiple levels.
> >> http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/714
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Cheers!
> >> Cheers to you! I'll now take a beer.
> >>
> >> Gerard
> >> >
> >> > Ian
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Fred Pook wrote:
> >> > > Hiya,
> >> > > I am happy this thread is picking up and we are chatting..
> >> > > IMHO I would put Ashish in charge of this effort of making
> the WSFII
> >> > > online presence a solid one.
> >> > > Please reply if there are objections to this
> >> > >
> >> > > Thanks Fred
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On 6/5/07, Thomas Maketa <tmaketa at gmail.com
> <mailto:tmaketa at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> > >> So who take the lead ?
> >> > >> When do we organize?
> >> > >> When the first meeting to assess situation, offers and plan?
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> On 6/5/07, Rob Dyke < rob at comwifinet.com
> <mailto:rob at comwifinet.com>> wrote:
> >> > >> > Ashish, All,
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Here is my offer of contributing time and effort for the
> critical
> >> > >> > infrastructure side of things. I've much kit and much
> >> caboodle, *some*
> >> > >> > time... All donated towards WSFII.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Looks like there are a couple of things immediately arising
> >> from this
> >> > >> > thread....
> >> > >> > * Web presence overhaul - tool and template
> >> > >> > * Import of OKFN hosted info
> >> > >> > * Support for translations
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > I'm lurking with Saul in IRC.... let's continue this
> thread and
> >> > >> chatter
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Rob
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Saul Albert wrote:
> >> > >> > > On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 10:39:15AM +0530, Assoc of Public
> >> ICT Tools
> >> > >> Access Prov wrote:
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > >> Henceforth can we think of building a team of say
> 3 people
> >> > >> for the
> >> > >> > >> critical infrastructure ? like the web site &
> events.
> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > I'm afraid I can't help out with infrastructure... but
> as I
> >> said,
> >> > >> I'd
> >> > >> > > be *really* happy to contribute reports and updates from
> >> London...
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > I'd like to remind you all about the wsfii irc channel
> which
> >> has
> >> > >> been
> >> > >> > > dead for a while - but could help if people are feeling
> >> isolated
> >> > >> in the
> >> > >> > > way they're working ;)
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > irc://irc.oftc.net#wsfii
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > See you there maybe?
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > I'll be idling there this morning, but I read
> scrollback :)
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > X
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > Saul.
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >
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