[wsfii-discuss] ... take the lead - Date selection

Fri Jun 15 04:34:39 UTC 2007

To be fair I think only those who can actually go
(with reasonable surety) to the meeting, or will be
helping out with logistics and therefore are impacted
by the date, should vote. In other words, only direct
stakeholders should vote.

I don't know if this meeting scheduler can remove
irrelevant votes. Are there any other choices
available for such processes online?

--- Ian Howard <ihoward at netdotworking.com> wrote:

> All,
> 
> Tomas does allude to something important, for the
> self-organization to 
> work there needs to be a few minimum specifications.
> 
> The most obvious is the date. To select a date, how
> about we use 
> meetomatic? I started one here, please add your
> preferred dates:
> http://www.meetomatic.com/respond.php?id=F054CL
> 
> To view the results, go here:
>
http://www.meetomatic.com/responses.php?id=F054CLM2I9L9
> 
> As the website is a wiki, we should all be able to
> edit it.
> 
> Ian
> 
> 
> 
> Thomas Maketa wrote:
> > Ok let's self organize!!!
> > But first basic questions to start self
> organizaing;
> > - who has the current ownership of the web site?
> > - What is the process for adding new page in a
> self organizzed way ?
> > - If a self organized person inserts in the web
> information which are 
> > porographic or un appropriate who is the master
> self organizing person 
> > who will reprimand?
> > - who will propose the self organized program of
> the event ?
> >
> > I think we should balance, let's organize the
> self-organization, what 
> > I'm proposing is a first contact person who will
> be the secretary of 
> > the self-organized event.
> > When someone want to contribute he can lead him in
> channeling his request.
> > When someone self-organize something he can
> publish it to everybody.
> >
> > I understand that the term "leader" is not
> politically correct in open 
> > source , but we need "SOMEONE" who can coordinate
> the self 
> > organization, suggest what can be done , as I have
> read below.
> > And we need that person URGENTLY, maybee he
> already exists and I dont 
> > know, if so my apologies.
> >
> > Till now I dont know who has the responsibility to
> set the final date, 
> > who has the physical responsibility (the name) of
> the web server, who 
> > can grant access to create content, who will
> finalize the program of 
> > the Ghana gathering,.........
> >
> > I'm getting more and more lost........
> >
> >
> >
> > On 6/14/07, *marco* <marco.pompe at web.de
> <mailto:marco.pompe at web.de>> 
> > wrote:
> >
> >     hi Gerard
> >
> >     no. i do not agree. i admit you offer the most
> pragmatic way and i
> >     guess
> >     u will agree we may call it "meritocracy".
> that may suit everybody who
> >     believes to be meritted. i am realistic enough
> to see that in abscence
> >     of alternative structures we once more have to
> go that "way of the
> >     minor
> >     disorder". but i totally agree with Ian in so
> far: in
> >     self-organisation
> >     as a process of real equal rights and
> solidarity, as a matter of real
> >     co-operation, we have a great value and a
> challange to face.
> >
> >     concerning this "someone has to take the lead"
> i have another comment:
> >     to lead doesnt automatically means someONE
> have to do it. i think we
> >     all should improve in critically reflecting
> our merits and those of
> >     others, that we may achieve a process within
> everybody is leading and
> >     teaching as she/he is learning according to
> the added output of
> >     our all
> >     best knowledge. this is not a fairy tale, as I
> experienced that in
> >     variuos ways ...
> >
> >     you are talking about the future as it is
> something to preserve.
> >     we live
> >     in a world filled up with preservation,
> precautions, insurance and
> >     stuff
> >     - yet we are going to destroy it and fail to
> stop exploiting,
> >     oppressing
> >     and killing each other - how come? maybe its
> because of the very
> >     limmited number of persons to contribute in
> the configuration of
> >     our world?
> >
> >     greetings, marco, berlin
> >
> >     Fred Pook schrieb:
> >     > Cheers Gerard!
> >     > Totally agree with you, and yes I will also
> take a beer ...
> >     > maybe self-reflection and communication is
> all that is needed in our
> >     > open-source way of working and if that can
> get some more speed
> >     by an
> >     > enlightened lead taking person.. hmm
> >     > Greets Fred
> >     >
> >     >
> >     > On 6/13/07, Gerard Mourits
> <gerard at mourits.org
> >     <mailto:gerard at mourits.org>> wrote:
> >     >>
> >     >> On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 13:44:54 -0400, "Ian
> Howard"
> >     >> <ihoward at netdotworking.com
> <mailto:ihoward at netdotworking.com>>
> >     said:
> >     >> > All,
> >     >> >
> >     >> > Not to be a thorn, but I would encourage
> us not to lose site
> >     of the
> >     >> > original ideals of WSFII, that is an
> open, collaborative and
> >     >> > self-organizing endeavour, modelled
> around open source. In that
> >     >> light, I
> >     >> > would suggest that we not appoint someone
> to be in charge,
> >     but that we
> >     >> > encourage some individuals to focus their
> contributions on
> >     particular
> >     >> > aspects of this effort. If anything we
> should certainly focus on
> >     >> making
> >     >> > sure that we really encourage some local
> on the ground people
> >     to do
> >     >> > participate more. Leaders in open source
> pull things together and
> >     >> > encourage participation of others.
> >     >> >
> >     >> Nice words but are they really of this
> world?
> >     >> I think Fred meant by his 'putting in
> charge' that if work is
> >     to be done
> >     >> somebody has to take the lead.
> >     >> If nobody takes the lead and there is
> nobody 'in charge' then
> >     where are
> >     >> we going to.
> >     >> This don't mean that we need a kind of
> Hitler to marched in
> >     front of the
> >     >> troops.
> >     >> We would certainly let this happen at all.
> Bu we need en
> >     lighted people
> >     >> that shows us the road ahead.
> >     >> 'Self-organizing endeavour' come out of
> books and with books we
> >     describe
> >     >> thing that passed.
> >     >>
> >     >> > So, to answer Tomas' questions:
> >     >> >
> >     >> > So who take the lead?  No one, this is a
> self-organizing effort
> >     >> And out of this self-organizing effort
> comes 
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Vickram

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