[wsfii-discuss] re: coordinators for event planning
Ian Howard
ihoward at netdotworking.com
Mon Jun 18 12:14:01 UTC 2007
Ashish, All,
Having someone put greater effort on a few critical areas certainly
seems sensible and in my mind doesn't detract from the idea of having an
open and participative style of organization to these events. I think
that what we most want to do is to create an environment that invites
participation and where decisions are open, so having people coordinate
administrative and logistical matters is certainly within those norms.
Moreover, having someone push to get some issues resolved is also a good
idea. It would seem most appropriate to have an organizer who is local
to the place (lives there), so if we can engage someone there, that
would be ideal. I think the debate here centres around the vocabulary
and what the subtle differences that implies. A coordinator suggests
someone who seeks input for direction, taking charge/leader suggests a
more military, get it done style. I think a coordinator is what is
appropriate for this event. IMHO the most important aspect of this event
is that it is open, so we should fight to keep it that way.
So, in the self-organizing style, if someone get funding for them self,
to contribute and so long as decision making is kept open and
collaborative, and that person is herding, drawing others in to
participate, then I welcome their involvement. So, perhaps we are
seeking a sheppard?
Cheers,
Ian
Assoc of Public ICT Tools Access Prov wrote:
> WSFII is surviving only because of its self organizing nature. Just
> reflect do all of us know the initial singatories to WSFII ? . I don't
> see them around but WSFII is still around.
>
> The WSFII ship needs some anchor when it prepares for the next sail
> - Ghana/ Catalonia ? till then these Anchor will not let WSFII drift
> . Anchor does not decides the direction but the people on board
>
> Klavs & Klochi have been the earliest anchors who silently worked for
> all of us.
> But WSFII has grown bigger & needs more time than their leisurely
> hours permit. Many have shown willingness to contribute their time.
> We just need more people to make sure work gets executed.
>
> We need facilitators only to make it convenient point to contribute to
> WSFII .
>
> vickram gave a nice example on the Dharamshala event . Many
> international participants could not reach becasue they were not
> guided on the travel documentation well in advance.
>
> Thus I reiterate WSFII needs anchor for some important activities.
> Website & Event coordination strike an immediate priority .
>
> regards
>
> Ashish
>
>
>
> On 6/14/07, *Fred Pook* <fredpook at gmail.com
> <mailto:fredpook at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Cheers Gerard!
> Totally agree with you, and yes I will also take a beer ...
> maybe self-reflection and communication is all that is needed in our
> open-source way of working and if that can get some more speed by an
> enlightened lead taking person.. hmm
> Greets Fred
>
>
> On 6/13/07, Gerard Mourits <gerard at mourits.org
> <mailto:gerard at mourits.org>> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 13:44:54 -0400, "Ian Howard"
> > <ihoward at netdotworking.com <mailto:ihoward at netdotworking.com>> said:
> > > All,
> > >
> > > Not to be a thorn, but I would encourage us not to lose site
> of the
> > > original ideals of WSFII, that is an open, collaborative and
> > > self-organizing endeavour, modelled around open source. In
> that light, I
> > > would suggest that we not appoint someone to be in charge, but
> that we
> > > encourage some individuals to focus their contributions on
> particular
> > > aspects of this effort. If anything we should certainly focus
> on making
> > > sure that we really encourage some local on the ground people
> to do
> > > participate more. Leaders in open source pull things together and
> > > encourage participation of others.
> > >
> > Nice words but are they really of this world?
> > I think Fred meant by his 'putting in charge' that if work is to
> be done
> > somebody has to take the lead.
> > If nobody takes the lead and there is nobody 'in charge' then
> where are
> > we going to.
> > This don't mean that we need a kind of Hitler to marched in
> front of the
> > troops.
> > We would certainly let this happen at all. Bu we need en lighted
> people
> > that shows us the road ahead.
> > 'Self-organizing endeavour' come out of books and with books we
> describe
> > thing that passed.
> >
> > > So, to answer Tomas' questions:
> > >
> > > So who take the lead? No one, this is a self-organizing effort
> > And out of this self-organizing effort comes what ? a leader?
> >
> > > When do we organize? again, self-organize
> > And what happens if we got two self-organizing mechanisms?
> >
> > > When the first meeting to assess situation, offers and
> plan? there
> > > should be an effort to encourage contributions and a wide call
> for input
> > > and distributed decision making.
> > At first we need a direction: where are we going ?
> >
> > >
> > > Anyone who knows me will know that this self-organizing
> arrangement is
> > > not one that came naturally for this ex-soldier, though, I
> believe in
> > > open source and I believe that if we buy-in to the process of
> > > self-organization and that we work to optimize collaboration
> that this
> > > will be something fruitful. Not only will we pull off a
> meeting, but we
> > > will pull off another self-organizing event.
> > The problem is with self-organizing communities that there has to be
> > someone to point out to this direction (and take the lead).
> > It is not "if this" or "if that". It is "and this" "and that"
> and work
> > together on multiple levels.
> > http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/714
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Cheers!
> > Cheers to you! I'll now take a beer.
> >
> > Gerard
> > >
> > > Ian
> > >
> > >
> > > Fred Pook wrote:
> > > > Hiya,
> > > > I am happy this thread is picking up and we are chatting..
> > > > IMHO I would put Ashish in charge of this effort of making
> the WSFII
> > > > online presence a solid one.
> > > > Please reply if there are objections to this
> > > >
> > > > Thanks Fred
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 6/5/07, Thomas Maketa < tmaketa at gmail.com
> <mailto:tmaketa at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > >> So who take the lead ?
> > > >> When do we organize?
> > > >> When the first meeting to assess situation, offers and plan?
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On 6/5/07, Rob Dyke < rob at comwifinet.com
> <mailto:rob at comwifinet.com>> wrote:
> > > >> > Ashish, All,
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Here is my offer of contributing time and effort for the
> critical
> > > >> > infrastructure side of things. I've much kit and much
> caboodle, *some*
> > > >> > time... All donated towards WSFII.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Looks like there are a couple of things immediately
> arising from this
> > > >> > thread....
> > > >> > * Web presence overhaul - tool and template
> > > >> > * Import of OKFN hosted info
> > > >> > * Support for translations
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I'm lurking with Saul in IRC.... let's continue this
> thread and
> > > >> chatter
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Rob
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Saul Albert wrote:
> > > >> > > On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 10:39:15AM +0530, Assoc of
> Public ICT Tools
> > > >> Access Prov wrote:
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >> Henceforth can we think of building a team of say 3
> people
> > > >> for the
> > > >> > >> critical infrastructure ? like the web site &
> events.
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > I'm afraid I can't help out with infrastructure... but
> as I said,
> > > >> I'd
> > > >> > > be *really* happy to contribute reports and updates
> from London...
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > I'd like to remind you all about the wsfii irc channel
> which has
> > > >> been
> > > >> > > dead for a while - but could help if people are feeling
> isolated
> > > >> in the
> > > >> > > way they're working ;)
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > irc://irc.oftc.net#wsfii
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > See you there maybe?
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > I'll be idling there this morning, but I read scrollback :)
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > X
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Saul.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
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