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Thanks Daniel, good stuff.
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Interdependent Thoughts
Ton Zijlstra

ton at tonzijlstra.eu
+31-6-34489360

http://zylstra.org/blog
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On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Daniel Dietrich
<daniel.dietrich at okfn.org>wrote:

> Hi all
>
> My comment goes in the same direction.
>
> frontpage:
>
> - white is better (B)
> - top navigation: relation between "examples" and "good practice, cases,
> etc" visually not clear. General relation between blue and yellow top
> navigation not clear. This looks actually better in A
> - I like the fellow heading (News, Events..) from A, could try to have them
> on B
> - the section of news and events looks a bit too "compressed" to me. A bit
> more padding would be good.
> - "follow us on twitter" button doen't make sense were it is
>
> content page:
>
> - would be good to see how this would look with the white look
> - I agree with Tom that the comment section looks a bit bulky
> - since this is an example of an event: how would one recognise from the
>  top navi that this article is in the "event" section
> - can we do better that "previous" and "next" article? (titles? or as
> subtitle under prev, next?) also: would that lik to articles or events?
> - not clear why "Hello Jon Doe" section has moved down
> - question: what is the plan with the "mentioned in this article" section?
> Is this to be automated or to be done by the editor?
>
> On 23.06.2011, at 10:58, Jonathan Gray wrote:
>
> > (A = versie2front.png, B = Versie-R1frontlogged.png, C =
> versie2content.png)
> >
> > Think B looks best - nice header, etc. But ideally with content boxes
> > formatted as in A. Also could possibly experiment with two side bars
> > in B coloured blue as in A but header and footer still white? For
> > better or worse the blue bits make the site feel more 'European'.
> >
> > J.
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 10:34 AM, Ton Zijlstra <ton.zijlstra at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> Thanks guys,
> >> @Katleen, yes I also thought the readability of the blue page is better
> than
> >> the white one. Not sure where the difference is, will discuss with the
> >> designer (meeting him later today)
> >>
> >> @Tom the link section at the bottom is the same as can be navigated from
> the
> >> top menu and connected drop downs. As it is at whitehouse.gov, it
> merely
> >> provides an additional navigational tool.
> >> Yes oauth login etc will be supported.
> >> Comments: we'll use DisQus inside the site.
> >> Good point on groups visibility and RSS.
> >> best,
> >> Ton
> >> -------------------------------------------
> >> Interdependent Thoughts
> >> Ton Zijlstra
> >>
> >> ton at tonzijlstra.eu
> >> +31-6-34489360
> >>
> >> http://zylstra.org/blog
> >> -------------------------------------------
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 9:57 AM, Tom Kronenburg <tom.kronenburg at zenc.nl
> >
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>> Frontpage,
> >>> like white much better then blue. I am a bit concerned with the footer,
> >>> too much, but also too low (you have to scroll to much - presumably -
> to get
> >>> there).
> >>> I like the freshness of the white design.
> >>> Content page:
> >>> Bit concerned still with the commenting feature, doesn't look at all
> >>> cool... way too old-fashioned.
> >>> Also, where are we going to show the 'groups' of people that are
> concerned
> >>> with a certain topic, or the tags?
> >>> I take it, we're going to allow people to be logging in with Oauth /
> >>> twitter / facebook connect etc?
> >>> links to rss feeds should be present somewhere...
> >>> I'll think about some more stuff later.
> >>> Tom
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Tom Kronenburg
> >>>
> >>> Zenc | Focus op oplossingen
> >>> Alexanderstraat 18
> >>> 2514 JM Den Haag
> >>> KvK:  27190312
> >>> Tel:  +31 70 3626944 of +31 6 55778353
> >>> Fax:  +31 70 3921835
> >>> tom.kronenburg at zenc.nl
> >>> www.zenc.nl
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Op 23 jun 2011, om 09:36 heeft Ton Zijlstra het volgende geschreven:
> >>>
> >>> HI all,
> >>> I haven't heard new feedback from you guys on the next iteration of the
> >>> design (as attached).
> >>> Myself I like the white one much better than the dark blue dominated
> one:
> >>> makes it lighter and less boring (more depth in the design as well).
> >>> If you have any feedback, please let me know, so I can take the next
> step
> >>> with the designer.
> >>> At epsi.reinvented.net I have started to build a mock-up of the site.
> >>> Nothing much to see there yet, but it is where I will be working on the
> >>> wireframes / put the site in scaffolds, and where I'll play with adding
> the
> >>> design later.
> >>> best,
> >>> Ton
> >>> -------------------------------------------
> >>> Interdependent Thoughts
> >>> Ton Zijlstra
> >>>
> >>> ton at tonzijlstra.eu
> >>> +31-6-34489360
> >>>
> >>> http://zylstra.org/blog
> >>> -------------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 7:33 PM, Ton Zijlstra <ton.zijlstra at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Just received some new sketches for the epsiplatform. As previously
> >>>> feedback is appreciated.
> >>>> -------------------------------------------
> >>>> Interdependent Thoughts
> >>>> Ton Zijlstra
> >>>>
> >>>> ton at tonzijlstra.eu
> >>>> +31-6-34489360
> >>>>
> >>>> http://zylstra.org/blog
> >>>> -------------------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >>>> From: Heinze Havinga <heinze.havinga at gmail.com>
> >>>> Date: 2011/6/6
> >>>> Subject: Re: epsi site
> >>>> To: Ton Zijlstra <ton.zijlstra at gmail.com>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Hoi Ton,
> >>>>
> >>>> Hierbij de nieuwe revisie van het ontwerp, ik heb zoveel mogelijk van
> de
> >>>> adviezen mee genomen en ook een voorstel gemaakt voor een content
> pagina.
> >>>>
> >>>> Als extra heb ik ook een voorpagina toegevoegd die wat lichter is qua
> >>>> kleurgebruik om de discussie levendig te houden en als een soort
> second
> >>>> opinion te gebruiken.
> >>>>
> >>>> De submenu's bovenaan zullen via mouseclick geladen worden. Dus als je
> in
> >>>> de menubalk op bijvoorbeeld "Examples" klikt zullen daaronder de
> subkopjes
> >>>> "Good Practice","Cases" etc er onder verschijnen.
> >>>>
> >>>> Groeten,
> >>>> Heinze
> >>>>
> >>>> On 29 May 2011 16:22, Ton Zijlstra <ton.zijlstra at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hoi Heinze,
> >>>>> Ik heb wat feedback verzameld:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Some comments on the draft design/navigation/structure, for what it
> is
> >>>>> worth:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 1.       I find the colours a bit dull, a bit more marine blue?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2.       I find it too much text, which will be the consequence of
> >>>>> putting the blog there
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 3.       I find the welcome to the EPSI site too prominent and too
> much
> >>>>> text
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 4.       I find the top row rather dull
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 5.       We have lots of content, would it be possible to mark the #
> of
> >>>>> docs under the respective button or something similar?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 6.       I like the fact that are pics, but would I would like more,
> >>>>> especially where it concerns events on PSI. Would it be possible to
> somehow
> >>>>> lure people to a spot where pics can be seen?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 7.       I guess there will be drop down menus under the second row
> >>>>> buttons? If so, couldn’t that be done in a more Apple way?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 8.        Can you work with icons, like flags for news on countries
> (+EU
> >>>>> for EC news)?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 9.       The same applies to type of news: e.g. legal – scales,
> >>>>> technical – a lamp, economic – stack of money, open data – nerd,
> research –
> >>>>> Einstein, hot news – pepper etc. Would it be possible to list news
> items in
> >>>>> a kind of nu.nl way?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 10.   I would also like a European map that will mouse sensitive and
> >>>>> will magnify, allowing to click on countries, so you get the news
> items,
> >>>>> reports, cases in there
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Also, I was wondering whether there will be subpages and how they
> will
> >>>>> look like. In other words, is there an overall structure already?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I hope this is of some help.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Reg. M.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi all,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I do like the first sketch. I agree with some of  Marc's point, e.g.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> - too much text
> >>>>>
> >>>>> - I also like the idea of icons to visually identify types of content
> >>>>> (category, country?)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> - on the events section I clearly miss something that immediately
> shows
> >>>>> me the date of the items or even an overview (calendar)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> - for news and events I miss a "subscribe to feed / ical"
> >>>>>
> >>>>> - the 3 categories at the bottom, e.g. "good practice, psi report and
> >>>>> cases" will not get a lot of attention there. We might include them
> between
> >>>>> guest blog and news & events section in a raw with 3 columns?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As Ton and Marc I am curious about the subpages e.g. "content"
> -pages.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Best
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Daniel
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Mijn eigen feedback gaat eigenlijk in gelijksoortige richting:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> nog een hoop tekst, is er ergens plek om bijvoorbeeld een selectie
> >>>>> foto's in te tonen. Vooral het massieve blauw er omheen maakt het
> 'dicht' en
> >>>>> saai volgens mij. Is er een derde kleur denkbaar als accent die het
> >>>>> sprankelender maakt. Of een kleuren palet wat past qua kleur bij het
> logo,
> >>>>> maar er wel duidelijk van afwijkt, en er meer complementair aan is?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> De feedback die over content structuur gaat hoef je natuurlijk niet
> mee
> >>>>> te nemen uit bovenstaande, daar maak ik notitie van voor het
> functioneel
> >>>>> ontwerp van de site.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Tot slot is het denk ik zoals de anderen vragen goed om ook even naar
> >>>>> een contentpagina te kijken. Kan dat?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Kun je hier iets mee?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> groet,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ton
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -------------------------------------------
> >>>>> Interdependent Thoughts
> >>>>> Ton Zijlstra
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ton at tonzijlstra.eu
> >>>>> +31-6-34489360
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://zylstra.org/blog
> >>>>> -------------------------------------------
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2011/5/21 Heinze Havinga <heinze.havinga at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hallo Ton,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> In mijn iets te enthousiaste zaterdagochtend alles de deur uit
> gedrag
> >>>>>> heb ik je per ongeluk de verkeerde versie gestuurd. Excuus, hierbij
> de
> >>>>>> juiste versie
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Vriendelijke groeten,
> >>>>>> Heinze
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 2011/5/21 Heinze Havinga <heinze.havinga at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hallo Ton,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hierbij een eerste schets voor de nieuwe epsi site. Ik heb me ze
> >>>>>>> redelijk strak gehouden aan de whitehouse.gov indeling en
> tegelijkertijd
> >>>>>>> zoveel mogelijk elementen van de epsi site geprobeerd over te
> nemen, het is
> >>>>>>> bijna meer een visuele mashup dan een site ontwerp.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Een klein beetje extra uitleg:
> >>>>>>> - De titelbalken bevatten allemaal aan de rechterkant een knop,
> >>>>>>> vandaar dat er dingen staan als "more","advanced" en "follow".
> >>>>>>> - Het "welcome John Smith" is alleen voor gebruikers die zijn
> >>>>>>> ingelogd, bij nieuwe gebruikers zal het tips geven over de wat en
> links naar
> >>>>>>> uitleggende pagina's
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Ik heb ook het photoshop bestand bijgevoegd mocht iemand de neiging
> >>>>>>> hebben om zelf lekker te gaan schuiven met het voorstel.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Vriendelijke groeten,
> >>>>>>> Heinze
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> <versie2front.png><Versie-R1frontlogged.png><versie2content.png><ATT00001..txt>
> >>>
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