[okfn-coord] License consultancy work for EU Transparency?

Tue Jul 21 14:13:47 UTC 2009

On 17 Jul 2009, at 15:19, Rufus Pollock wrote:

> We should definitely do this. Jonathan: can you get back to Jack and  
> say yes.
>
> He seems willing to pay for this so we should probably work out what
> we should charge -- it wouldn't take much time but then again we are
> now experts in this area. What do people think would be reasonable? 1
> days works at our pro-bono rate of, say, £400 per day?

So I had a further think about this, and while I think that this is a  
great project, I want to make sure we steer away from doing typical  
lawyer / legal advice stuff (such as writing licenses specific for one  
user) and make sure that we are charging appropriate rates for the  
licensing stuff we do:

We were asked to:

> Specifically, I'd like to:
>
> - agree a license for the websites (farmsubsidy.org / fishsubsidy.org)
>
> - agree a license for the database

While probably a day's worth of work, I think 400 is pretty low to go  
through all of that stuff.  600 seems better to me, but happy to go  
for 400 if that's what everyone else thinks.  This is mainly because  
there is some overhead on time that evens out in a 4 day project (for  
example), and so I personally usually charge a bit more for one day  
projects.

>
> Would OKFN be available as a consultant on this?
>
> Tasks would be:
>
> Help select and draft the license

I don't see how we can draft a license for them.  If we are talking  
about the possibility of an attribution only data license, then they  
could sponsor development time, assuming the Open Data Commons  
advisory council were amenable and this was a route we wanted to go.  
We'd have to go through a public beta process as well before it would  
be complete and ready to use.

>
> Help with a plain English FAQ that explains it.

This would be good, but it would be better to explore making sure  
that  the FAQ was available for everyone - i.e. creating a template  
FAQ for anyone to use.

>
> We want to be as open as possible, and to encourage others to be open
> but we do need for our work in compiling and providing the data to be
> attributed.

Thanks!

~jordan

>
> Rufus
>
> 2009/7/17 Jonathan Gray <jonathan.gray at okfn.org>:
>> Just to let everyone know, Jack Thurston of EU Transparency is
>> interested in have the OKF as a consultant on what legal tool/license
>> they should use for their data. They really seem to want an
>> attribution license for data!
>>
>> Jonathan
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> Having had a not great experience with an IHT/NYT story today that is
>> based around the database we provided to them, but has no attribution
>> whatsoever, I'd like to move forward with getting the licensing  
>> issues
>> tied down.
>>
>> Specifically, I'd like to:
>>
>> - agree a license for the websites (farmsubsidy.org /  
>> fishsubsidy.org)
>>
>> - agree a license for the database
>>
>> Would OKFN be available as a consultant on this?
>>
>> Tasks would be:
>>
>> Help select and draft the license
>>
>> Help with a plain English FAQ that explains it.
>>
>> We want to be as open as possible, and to encourage others to be open
>> but we do need for our work in compiling and providing the data to be
>> attributed.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jack
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2 Jul 2009, at 21:46, Jonathan Gray wrote:
>>
>>> Brilliant!
>>>
>>> Also how do you think the data will be licensed? If its in the  
>>> public
>>> domain (e.g. via CC0 or PDDL) then it could be hosted on Talis's
>>> Connected Commons platform...
>>>
>>> You might also be interested in the Open Database License (ODbL), a
>>> sharealike license for data which we released on Monday:
>>>
>>>  http://blog.okfn.org/2009/06/29/open-database-license-odbl-v10-released/
>>>
>>> Jonathan
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 10:30 PM, Jack  
>>> Thurston<mail at jackthurston.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Simon was talking about a code wiki / API. But it's not been  
>>>> implemented
>>>> yet. On the list for next update. Will look into where the raw  
>>>> data is. I
>>>> know it's somewhere.
>>>>
>>>> Jack
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2 Jul 2009, at 20:17, Jonathan Gray wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Jack,
>>>>>
>>>>> Congratulations on the recent launch of Fish Subsidy! The site  
>>>>> looks
>>>>> fantastic.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was wondering whether data is available for download on the  
>>>>> Fish and
>>>>> Farm Subsidy websites? If so it would be great to link to this  
>>>>> in the
>>>>> CKAN packages.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jonathan Gray
>>>>>
>>>>> Community Coordinator
>>>>> The Open Knowledge Foundation
>>>>> http://www.okfn.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jonathan Gray
>>>
>>> Community Coordinator
>>> The Open Knowledge Foundation
>>> http://www.okfn.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jonathan Gray
>>
>> Community Coordinator
>> The Open Knowledge Foundation
>> http://www.okfn.org
>>
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