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source code and you are withholding payment, but it sounded from the
email they cc'ed to Board members' private email address like they
were withholding code from a current project because OKFN was
withholding payment from a previous project. Are you confident that
the Board do not need to be aware of this situation, or would you mind
providing a brief summary of the state of affairs with Iconomical?

Thanks

Becky

On 1 February 2011 20:36, Rufus Pollock <rufus.pollock at okfn.org> wrote:
> For the board's information. Here was the latest thread (stretching
> back to November). There's obviously discussion prior to that.
>
> Rufus
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Rufus Pollock <rufus.pollock at okfn.org>
> Date: 30 January 2011 12:24
> Subject: Re: terms of code release
> To: Liz Turner <liz at iconomical.com>, dave Boyce <dave at iconomical.com>
> Cc: Edo Broeksma <edo at mediagilde.nl>
>
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> Hope I have not missed an email or something has got spammed.
>
> If I do not hear from you soon we will be forced to consider the code
> you have produced in the second phase of this project unusable from
> our perspective due to lack of access to the source code (we are
> already seriously considering a complete rewrite in pure javascript
> simply so we are in a position to take the project forward in a timely
> manner).
>
> In this situation there will be serious questions over any payment to
> Iconomical for the second phase of the work. (It is already the case
> that the uncertainty and delay have impacted negatively on the project
> which may result in financial consequences).
>
> Regards,
>
> Rufus
> On 23 December 2010 12:55, Rufus Pollock <rufus.pollock at okfn.org> wrote:
>> Hi Liz,
>>
>> I responded on this email nearly a month ago now and had no response.
>> What is happening here?
>>
>> As you (or Dave) might have seen we have community members who are
>> eager to contribute to the flash code -- something that will be of
>> benefit to you as well as us. However, at the moment I have to tell
>> them that they can't do anything because the source code has not been
>> made available yet.
>>
>> I would continue to ask that this code be pushed to the svn repo asap
>> (and failing that is there any way we can just get a tar.gz of the
>> latest source so we can share with the community member who'd like to
>> work on it -- we can always ask him not to share it further for the
>> time being).
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Rufus
>>
>> On 29 November 2010 16:28, Rufus Pollock <rufus.pollock at okfn.org> wrote:
>>> On 26 November 2010 11:13, Liz Turner <liz at iconomical.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear Rufus,
>>>> I met yesterday with the business manager of the Media Guild, during w=
hich
>>>> time we clarified the position regarding the forthcoming code release,=
 which
>>>> is as follows.
>>>> As you may be aware, at the moment, iconomical are under contract to t=
he
>>>> Media Guild. The terms of our agreement stipulate that all intellectua=
l
>>>
>>> No I had no idea about this.
>>>
>>>> property produced by iconomical defaults to the Media Guild Foundation=
. This
>>>> means that we are bound by law, and any code we release without their
>>>> permission will be in breach of said agreement.
>>>
>>> Right. As I have now repeated several times I have been requesting
>>> more frequent code release since August. I am rather astonished to
>>> have this fact raised now but so be it!
>>>
>>>> Media Guild have indicated that they will gladly accommodate your
>>>> requirements, as long as a contract has been agreed by all parties reg=
arding
>>>> the exact scope of outstanding work, and payment made for services ren=
dered.
>>>
>>> I would be happy to agree about the scope of existing work -- my one
>>> concern is that there will be inevitably be bugs and polishing to be
>>> done that it is hard to predict (none of this is about new features of
>>> functionality).
>>>
>>> Usually, I would have thought you guys would have done this (ie. gone
>>> through the app with a fine tooth-comb, dotting the 'i's and crossing
>>> the 't's). However, this hasn't occurred and as a result we keep
>>> coming back with requests to fix up this or correct that (a recent
>>> case in point: how does the iconography work in the bubble chart when
>>> we aren't using cofog -- as is the case when we use the bubble diagram
>>> in other situations e.g. barnet, dfid etc? I don't know exactly but
>>> you guys are obviously aware of this requirement so I would imagine
>>> you have considered it but if you haven't it will be something that
>>> gets raised as a bug. Similarly, I didn't even know there was
>>> drill-down in the compar-o-tron until the other day - at which point
>>> there were some issues (e.g. no hover effect etc))
>>>
>>>> At this point, code can be released and rights granted to use such cod=
e to
>>>> provide derivative services under an appropriate open source license.
>>>
>>> I don't quite understand what you are saying here. Is this an
>>> agreement to make code release asap (so e.g. build checking can be
>>> done) prior to final fixes or do it after or ...?
>>>
>>> Obviously I'm requesting the former so if that is what you are
>>> proposing then we are all in agreement.
>>>
>>> Rufus
>>>
>>>> This does not apply to the previous dashboard release, which was done =
with
>>>> Media Guild's full co-operation.
>>>> kind regards,
>>>>
>>>> Liz Turner
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>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
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