[MyData & Open Data] Blog on open data ABOUT privacy

[Mark L]

Ah! The Meaty issues. 


On 19 Mar 2014, at 18:59, Javier Ruiz <javier at openrightsgroup.org> wrote:

> Hey, I am not saying that we should give up on consent and transparency :-)  just that maybe we should spread our bets. Data minimisation could be as important,  for example.
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I see data minimisation as being a result of meaningful consent and transparency..  The one in many ways needs to proceed the other. 
> Consent gets really tricky to handle  in open data 
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Isn't Open Data and Consent orthogonal? From what I understand from Laura James post - Open Data Privacy - Open Data is transformed data.  A.K.A. "Transformed Data is information about individuals, where some effort has been made to anonymise or aggregate the data to remove individually identified elements."

> . Maybe you can consent to known unknowns with some clever legal formulation.
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Unknown Unknowns is Googles argument to not need consent from all of us Google users to change their privacy policies.  (still not clear what that is)  

> But the unknown unknowns?
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So beyond the scenario where people consent, (consent of the governed, consent of the customer, etc)  What are the exceptions for when Big Data, or Open Data can be created, used, aggregated, etc. without consent?  What are the exceptions to the exceptions? 

E.g. —> Employee Data, Criminal Data, National Security, Health Emergence, etc. 

This seems pretty black and white, either there is consent or their is not.    Ingenuity in enabling people to consent is the real opportunity and challenge here. Not, how do we get around it. Why the grey? 

What is a known unknown?  (please define)

So, the question really should be —>  How can people consent to transform their data to open data or Our Data?  What infrastructure, technology, tools, politics do we need? 

> I hope we get to discuss more about the free market approach of personal datastores and fair monetisation of data.
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IMO - the answer is obvious, - This is on fair and equitable terms, where/when people can leverage and benefit from their own data, control the use of their ‘real identities’.   

Mark
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> On 19 Mar 2014 18:24, "Phil Booth" <phil at einsteinsattic.com> wrote:
> Sure. We understand psychology and behavioural economics – but without transparency and consent (which we’re not even close to yet) you don’t get a ‘free market’ for privacy. You get systemic misuse, abuse and worse...
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> Hi, I don’t want to open up a huge debate (yet ;-) but!
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> transparency and consent will only get you so far, worth looking at the wok of Alessandro Acquisti on behavioural economics applied to privacy (quick summary: humans seem unable to make sensible decisions)
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> http://www.ted.com/talks/alessandro_acquisti_why_privacy_matters
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> On Wednesday, 19 March 2014 at 16:26, Mark L wrote:
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> Great Post Reuben, 
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> Another reason why open data about transparency over data control is so important and an indicator of how this transparency (or Open Notice) can solve lots of personal data problems we face today.  
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> - Mark
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> On 18 Mar 2014, at 16:28, Javier Ruiz <javier at openrightsgroup.org> wrote:
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> Reuben Binns has posted an excellent blog on our Working Group’s page on his research around a little know open-data-set: the UK Register of Data Controllers. 
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> The data is about what organisations declare they might do, not what they do in practice, but it raises lots of interesting questions.
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> http://personal-data.okfn.org/blog/
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